Proposal: Miller for Dobson

[NYVanfan]

Saw this on the other thread, props to the poster who posted it.

Canucks need a significant change, give their leading scorer who can play any forward position; 28 YO ppg-player, good FOs, blocks, fights, does it all. Cost controlled for this year and next at $5.25M, he is good value.

Dobson is 21, only 900K, rfa next summer, behind Pulock (and Mayfield?) I admittedly don't know a lot about Isles D depth, but seems like they could afford to move the former 12th OA. He is certainly the mold of the #1 RHD the Canucks so desperately need.

Canucks rebuild focusing on their young core, with a more balanced roster and more realistic growth goals (ie maybe playoffs, but better in a couple years) Isles add a huge piece for cup push.

I think even up makes sense, Isles could add a salary if they need to, not sure who.

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[elitepete]

Can’t see NYI doing this, unfortunately

 

[McJedi]

Saw this on the other thread, props to the poster who posted it.

Canucks need a significant change, give their leading scorer who can play any forward position; 28 YO ppg-player, good FOs, blocks, fights, does it all. Cost controlled for this year and next at $5.25M, he is good value.

Dobson is 21, only 900K, rfa next summer, behind Pulock (and Mayfield?) I admittedly don't know a lot about Isles D depth, but seems like they could afford to move the former 12th OA. He is certainly the mold of the #1 RHD the Canucks so desperately need.

Canucks rebuild focusing on their young core, with a more balanced roster and more realistic growth goals (ie maybe playoffs, but better in a couple years) Isles add a huge piece for cup push.

I think even up makes sense, Isles could add a salary if they need to, not sure who.

What is Vancouver adding to make value match up? Miller + what for Dobson.

 

[Cquant]

Would Miller + Rathbone for Dobson do it?

 

[Kaen]

While I'm not an expert on the Isles, I don't see them being willing to move Dobson. It also seems like they are deeper up front than they are on the back end, so they'd be more likely to make the opposite deal.

 

[stevo61]

Id expect a team icing a 39 year old and a 44 year old not really being in a rush to trade a 21 year old D with pretty big upside

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Id expect a team icing a 39 year old and a 44 year old not really being in a rush to trade a 21 year old D with pretty big upside

Yeah, I believe the plan is to weave in Salo this year at some point and then either a UFA or Bolduc next year.

Ditching Dobson, who currently is the Isles only puck-mover on D wouldn't help at all.

Nothing at all against Miller the player, it would just have to be a monumental overpayment for a player that's yet to show any 1st pairing promise.

 

[NYVanfan]

ok, i guess that answers it ... Isles not overflowing with young D, so less inclined to do this. Too bad, but I guess there's a reason #1 RHD is maybe the hardest spot to fill..

 

[flyfysher]

This proposal doesn't surprise me but I just would be surprised if the Isles traded Dobson given where they are at as an organization.

On the one hand, Canucks fans realize that Miller doesn't fit their window which isn't anytime in the near future. They previously asked for RHD that fit their window.

As an Avs fan, I totally understand the Canucks fan sentiment that Girard isn't a fit for them. So I had proposed one of Barron/Helleson + as a couple of prospects with top 4 upside that should emerge next season and thereafter under cost control. But it's apparent the Canucks fans want someone that has top 4 upside now. Can't say I blame them but I just don't foresee any team willing to part with that under the circumstances.

So we will just wait and see until the TDL comes along and forces some more than one GM's hand.

 

[NYVanfan]

This proposal doesn't surprise me but I just would be surprised if the Isles traded Dobson given where they are at as an organization.

On the one hand, Canucks fans realize that Miller doesn't fit their window which isn't anytime in the near future. They previously asked for RHD that fit their window.

As an Avs fan, I totally understand the Canucks fan sentiment that Girard isn't a fit for them. So I had proposed one of Barron/Helleson + as a couple of prospects with top 4 upside that should emerge next season and thereafter under cost control. But it's apparent the Canucks fans want someone that has top 4 upside now. Can't say I blame them but I just don't foresee any team willing to part with that under the circumstances.

So we will just wait and see until the TDL comes along and forces some more than one GM's hand.

sure, im fine with moves like those, they need prospects as well as immediate help. But I don't see trading their leading scorer and most valuable likely trading chip for that. At the least they should wait until the trade deadline when (hopefully) their new GM can maximize return for Miller. I would expect 1st, blue chip RHD prospect and a serviceable roster player to be that price. Miller is a piece that could put a team that is close over the top, like the Avs, Isles, Panthers, Bruins

 

[Mrfenn92]

Can’t see the isles doing that

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

As an impartial fan, I'd put Dobson's value similar to players like BB or EP than Miller.

 

[Djp]

A 28 yr old F at $5M+ isn’t going to get a 21 yr old very strong ELC player unless you are on HF boards.

a more logical trade is a 2 for2type of trade like

ELC D vet F for ELC forward and vet D that might fit currrnt needs.

 

[Seachd]

A 28 uro LD

I’m not sure which of us is more confused.

 

[Konk]

I get why Vancouver fans would want to make this trade, but the Islanders would have zero interest. Dobson is a core piece moving forward and a potential #1D. Lou would not trade him, let alone for a player that has only one more year (after this season) on their contract.

At this point Barzal, Dobson, and Sorokin are non-starters in trade discussions with the Islanders.

 

[Groo]

Not trying to endorse any view points here but, Lou has just come up short two years in a row now. Now's the time( by the TDL) to make a deal to try and get over that last step.
To bad this site isn't called Hockey present vs Hockey future

 

[goal1228]

The Isles biggest need is to add a D-man.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Seems like bad fit and very bad value for NYI.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

As an impartial fan, I'd put Dobson's value similar to players like BB or EP than Miller.

I understand Pettersson is playing poorly right now but Dobson doesn’t get you near him.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I understand Pettersson is playing poorly right now but Dobson doesn’t get you near him.

Just IMO - but I see Dobson as a guy would will be a legit #1D here in the very near future. As such - his value would be much closer to a guy like EP (who is in the same age bracket) than a guy like Miller, who while being a very good player doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of value.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

I understand Pettersson is playing poorly right now but Dobson doesn’t get you near him.

That's what it would take as an Isles fan. Also as an Isles fan, I agree that Dobson doesn't get a game-worn jersey of Pettersson.

The saving grace of losing two good players as cap dumps (Toews and Leddy) is that we have Dobson on an elc with an excellent skillset. Losing him would really, really be a major issue.

If Robin Salo continues to progress at the rate he's shown in the AHL, he'll be ready for full-time duty come mid-season. Until then, there's a lot of pressure on Dobson since Mayfield, Green and Chara contribute nothing offensively and none of them are adept puck-movers.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

No thanks from nyi

 

[mriswith]

Trade makes more sense if you retain 50% on Miller and Hamonic for Dobson and a 1st.

Hamonic replaces Dobson's current role so Isles add a PPG 1st line winger who can play centre without losing anything from the current roster. Dobson is getting bottom pairing minutes this season and is stuck behind Pulock long term. Dobson's ELC is over this year anyways so the value add of an ELC is over and this is the kind of deal that can push a contender over the edge. Canucks need someone coming back who can potentially be as good as Miller to make trading him make sense, and Dobson has that potential in a few years.

Canucks need the 1st attached to balance out the risk of the deal and pay for the salary retention. Isles probably need to dump Clutterbuck to make the cap work and probably send him back in the deal unless they think they can sell him elsewhere.

 

[NYVanfan]

Trade makes more sense if you retain 50% on Miller and Hamonic for Dobson and a 1st.

Hamonic replaces Dobson's current role so Isles add a PPG 1st line winger who can play centre without losing anything from the current roster. Dobson is getting bottom pairing minutes this season and is stuck behind Pulock long term. Dobson's ELC is over this year anyways so the value add of an ELC is over and this is the kind of deal that can push a contender over the edge. Canucks need someone coming back who can potentially be as good as Miller to make trading him make sense, and Dobson has that potential in a few years.

Canucks need the 1st attached to balance out the risk of the deal and pay for the salary retention. Isles probably need to dump Clutterbuck to make the cap work and probably send him back in the deal unless they think they can sell him elsewhere.

i mean id do that in a heartbeat, but don't think its more attractive for the Isles, considering Hamonic was on waivers a little while ago. Also I think you under estimate what Clutterbuck means to this crew. They may be older, but there's not a cap dump to be had on the roster.

I wonder if Isles fans would feel differently if there were retention on Miller, and Hamonic in the deal, maybe also retained -- and without the 1st. I'd be fine with that, assuming the retention could work. Getting a guy like Dobson alone is a huge need/win for Canucks

 

[mriswith]

i mean id do that in a heartbeat, but don't think its more attractive for the Isles, considering Hamonic was on waivers a little while ago.

I think he got through because of his vaccination status not his play, no?

Big difference is 50% retention on Miller, that's going to cost, but it also makes the deal make sense for them.

I'd swap a 50% retained Hamonic with Poolman if they'd rather that, but wouldn't retain on Poolman.