GDT: Mikko Rongonen

I still like Vinny even though he's kinda douchy towards the Canes now. I really don't think he was selling a call there, I think it was more of ones of those "well that was f***ing stupid and I know better" kinda moments.
I'm not sure I get/agree with that take though, his role has always kind of been a shit-stirrer...he's good at it. I like Vinny even though he's not playing for us. He's not like Haula who plays outright dirty and seems to actively want to hurt our guys playing the role of goon (despite not really being able to back it up). I do agree I don't think he was trying to draw a call as much as he was caught off-guard and just kinda needed a few seconds to recover
 
Not that I am complaining but the reversal of fortune for the Rangers is kinda wild to see. Record aside, they looked kinda lifeless except for Trocheck and he made some boo boos.
Actually, the downturn for the last two President's Cup winners is interesting but Boston's is more understandable to me.
Yeah, Boston lost major pieces of their core. The Rangers have been much more of a WTF just happened sort of deal.
 
The Rangers have been much more of a WTF just happened sort of deal.

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Yeah, Boston lost major pieces of their core. The Rangers have been much more of a WTF just happened sort of deal.
if anything it can be argued that the Bruins massively overachieved last year even, yet alone their Presidents' Trophy year, based on the pieces they lost
you know, as much as I'm a fan of the guy, dude has a shelf life wherever he goes and he's past that point by a good bit in New York.
 
yep, I've done that a few times (soccer not hockey) and stayed down for a second or two longer than necessary thinking "why the f*** did I just try that" internally before getting up.
I can't even tell you how many times I was working on something and thought to myself, " you can't that that way that's a bad idea" then had my exact fear come true.
Like thisnone time I was using an angle grinder to cut a piece of metal that was about 1 inch wide and a 1/4 thick. I thought you need to put this in a vise cause it's gonna kick out of your hand. I didn't and it did while still spinning it caught my pant leg and rode up near my crotch. Thankfully it caught nothing but jeans but I was very close to being a eunuch!
 
Agree with all of this although I am a little surprised at how fast he burned through this time he only started with NY last year

His schtick probably is not as motivational with guys of this generation as it was of Rod's. What the Canes got sick of in 3 years in 2000's probably has a shelf life of 3 months for players of the 2020's
 
Agree with all of this although I am a little surprised at how fast he burned through this time he only started with NY last year
I think there's something a bit rotten at NY's core right now. I consume a lot of NYC sports media and that seems to be a perennial debate: is it the coaches, the core, or the org. That core, while definitely successful to an extent, has chewed through several coaches now.
 
I think there's something a bit rotten at NY's core right now. I consume a lot of NYC sports media and that seems to be a perennial debate: is it the coaches, the core, or the org. That core, while definitely successful to an extent, has chewed through several coaches now.
Not sure what they'd expect at least with the last two coaches, Lavi and Gallant. Both good coaches in their way, but known to wear out their welcome quick. I suppose they thought that with both being good and intense, they would benefit from burn bright, burn out fast with the core they had coming together. And they have until this season to an extent, as you say.
 
Yeah, Boston lost major pieces of their core. The Rangers have been much more of a WTF just happened sort of deal.
Honestly, I'm not so sure the Rangers struggles surprise me at all. Maybe it has been me being biased by my disdain for them and wanting them to fail, but I've thought for years that they really haven't built their team well at all to be top tier contenders year in year out, and it was just a matter of time before this collapse with the same core came.

They got a bunch of mercenaries specifically because those players wanted to be in NY and the Rags weren't going to pass up the opportunities to add them, not because they fit any type of established team culture or systems or deliberate team building plan. Panarin, Fox, Trouba. Panarin, similar to the Leafs' top guys, is not a playoff performer. Zibanejad overachieved for a while but never struck me as a true 1C for a playoff team, Kreider had some seriously unsustainable production as well.

Their drafting and development have been really quite bad for a while now, a large part of it being the accelerated rebuild by adding those mercenary guys -- I mean Kakko and Laf certainly have had their issues that are their fault, but the Rags did not really give them opportunities to develop or succeed.

They overpaid in assets for deadline trades (Kane, Tarasenko), overpaid guys like Trocheck for the short term benefit. Have had really poor leadership structures (largely due to the mercenary aspect IMO, but also not really giving coaches much leash due to overly high expectations).

The biggest thing though is a lot of their success with this core has been due to Igor playing out of his mind and having an elite powerplay. Their 5v5 scoring was never anything special, not terrible but not amazing, and their team defense really just has not been good at any point. Outside of Fox who I think is overrated defensively, they haven't had any standout defensive defensemen. As they found with never winning a cup with Henrik, relying on goaltending to win is incredibly unsustainable and not enough. And powerplays can go cold too and not be enough.

I'm not sure I expected the perfect storm of everything going wrong for them like it has the past few months or whatever, but none of it really surprises me, and I think they are in really rough shape going foward, as are the Bruins. Not much in the way of younger players or prospects that indicate a bright future. Bruins have none, Rags have Perreault maybe but still early to say how much of an impact he could have.

Igor playing elite again could certainly get them into the playoff races, and we know he's capable of it but I don't view them as contenders or big threats going forward.
 
PP is still doodoo. Hopefully we get that figured out. Also want Blake off the top line. He's good don't get me wrong, but you can tell he still has some growing to do. Mentally and physically.

I am reliably informed by the NHL Network that our PP is nearly "elite" and also from Buccigross last night that the Isles PP is "stout."

It's clowns all the way down, folks.
 
Rags were extremely reliant on their high end skill guys turning what fancystats said was a bad attack and a mediocre defense into an elite attack and mediocre defense. Panarin and Kreider are 33, Zibenajad is 31. They declined.
 

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