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As he should be, the hate Richie gets here for his one mediocre season last year (WHERE WE WON THE CUP) is unbelievable.
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As he should be, the hate Richie gets here for his one mediocre season last year (WHERE WE WON THE CUP) is unbelievable.
KingCanadain1976
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Totally agree with this statement.There are several fans that won't be happy no matter how we do i have just accepted that as fact. Makes it a lot easier to deal with threads like this
KopitarFAN
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Williams is making significantly less money, not a fair comp. An extra $2M would make a world of difference for this team right now.
Brown, however, i'll buy but you don't see many people complaining about the captain when you have had 3 straight WCF appearances. That isn't to make it any less hypocritical.
bmr
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Honestly, with Kane and Toews making over 10 mill it is not as bad as it could be. The cap is going up also most likely.
it was a cap dump sort of deal. drop the player and accept just a pick?
or pay a guy almost 6m for a number of years to be in your bottom 6.read LA doesnt have enough cap space to even call up a d man and may have to play only 5 defence tonight due to their situation.
Richards would get 2nd line minutes in edmonton and PP and top 1st unit pk time.
or pay a guy almost 6m for a number of years to be in your bottom 6.read LA doesnt have enough cap space to even call up a d man and may have to play only 5 defence tonight due to their situation.
Richards would get 2nd line minutes in edmonton and PP and top 1st unit pk time.
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Scottkmlps
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So, Lombardi should've looked into his crystal ball or gave Madam Cleo a call to see the legal trouble that Voynov was going to face early this season that was going to constraint them when it came to cap space?
kingsfan
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So now we have to go to money? You say he's playing like crap, I show he's very similar to Williams and now it's about his paycheck? Some people can't not ***** about Richards.
The only reason that $2 million would make a world of difference is because of Voynov. Has NOTHING to do with Richards.
Yeah, tell us how dumb we are or how bad he is or whatever. Classic tactic. "trade us this guy, we'll do you a favor and absorb X dollars for a guy who is only playing X amount per game."
It can be a great deal in your head. We are the team suffering with cap issues and we don't want to deal him for the crap. Give us an offer that makes us want to trade him or adios.
KingCanadain1976
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perfectly put
So now we have to go to money? You say he's playing like crap, I show he's very similar to Williams and now it's about his paycheck? Some people can't not ***** about Richards.
and Brown makes more.
KopitarFAN
Reno Sucks!
So now we have to go to money? You say he's playing like crap, I show he's very similar to Williams and now it's about his paycheck? Some people can't not ***** about Richards.
The only reason that $2 million would make a world of difference is because of Voynov. Has NOTHING to do with Richards.
It has always been about money, everything is about the cap. If a guy is making less money and providing nearly equal production, then if you want an answer, Williams has been the better player dollar for dollar.
All I am saying is if I have to dump somebody in order to retain others (Williams, perhaps Martinez) he's the one to go, and it's really not close.
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
No, it hasn't been about his cap. You said Richards was playing awful more of the time, I showed you that numbers wise he was not playing awful. Nothing you said had anything to do about money until you mentioned it a post ago.
KopitarFAN
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I am not just talking about me, if this were pre-2005 no know would care, now it's about being able to put together the best roster within the number.
Shall I put it simpler for you? For what he is making, he isn't worth it.
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Winger23
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2 cups and a conference finals and you're worried about the best roster possible? Every team in the league will have a guy or 2 who is a bit over paid....
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KINGS17
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Problem is, Richards isn't going to get 60 points playing in the top six either.
I think Richards plays a valuable role on this team, and shows up for the big games. He has had a good start to this season and is skating pretty well. However, he isn't the force that he used to be, and Dean has some tough decisions coming soon.
another long playoff run and possible Championship, and i can't see how many of you don't get that if Justin Williams hasn't already likely priced himself out of here, he will by this summer.
i'm almost willing to put money that he's the one who's going to walk.
i'm almost willing to put money that he's the one who's going to walk.
Chain
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So now we have to go to money? You say he's playing like crap, I show he's very similar to Williams and now it's about his paycheck? Some people can't not ***** about Richards.
You can claim some people are being too hard on Richards and will be no matter what and you have a point. But you are defending him too much. Even Dean Lombardi had to get on him and make sure he was buckling down for this season. The criticism of him clearly isn't baseless.
In your stats comparing Richards and Williams points you're leaving out some important bits:
Williams makes 2 million less than Richards
Wiliams lit it up in the playoffs when it mattered most, scoring 25 points, whereas Richards scored 10. Williams was tied for 2nd on the team in points and 3rd in goals in the playoffs while Richards was 11th in points and 13th in goals. So when their play was similar in the regular season but Williams made 2 million less and then Williams came alive and contributed big time in the playoffs, winning the Conn Smythe, it's a no brainer people aren't going to be criticizing Williams like they do Richards. It makes sense.
Brown is a fairer comparison but there was plenty of criticism of him last year. Some were even saying he shouldn't be the captain.
It's good that there was criticism of Richards last year. There was certainly some merit to it since Lombardi had to have a talk with him and Richards seems to have listened and dedicated himself to being a better player and seems at least a little better this season. It's fair. As long as people aren't unnecessarily cruel about it and give him credit when he makes improvements and plays better, that criticism can be a good thing for Richards game, the team, and the fans in the long run.
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Chain
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You're probably right, but I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed. He's getting older and it just depends on if he wants to get a big payday and play for a team that's probably not going to be as good or if the Kings looks like it still a shot at winning the cup again next season and he values that more. He's such a big game player I'd hate to see him go, but wouldn't be surprised considering all the contracts that are coming up.
the problem is, we weren't even a week into the season before the: woulda, coulda, shoulda bus pulled up.
Justin Williams was also 18th among the 21 players in SH ice time during the playoffs, whereas Richards was 9th. Richards also led the team in (recorded) Takeaways, and was 2nd in FO%.
now, if i'm not mistaken, aren't (wasn't, weren't) the Kings the best possession team in the league?
a bigger problem tends to be that too many people start watching hockey once the puck crosses the attacking blue line.
and i don't think anyone who really knows better can view what took place between Richards and Lombardi, and the attention he gave him and his progress over the summer and not draw back to the number of times he mentioned a few top players on the team needing to vastly improve their conditioning level ("become Pros") during one of the many Breakfasts with the GMs they hosted. the only difference is the fact that Mike Richards had already been in the league for 9 years before that conversation took place.
i've got nothing for those who criticized the C on Brown's chest... that's just dumb. i DO however have $7 Million reasons why any conversation about contracts should just be put on the back burner until the seasons over.
kingsfan
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How about you stick to one criticism instead of jumping for one point to the next to try and win an argument?
If you had said he isn't worth the bang for the buck originally, we wouldn't be having this dialogue because I agree 100%. $5.75 million per season should net you at least 55-60 points per season, but that's not what you said that I disagreed with. You said he's playing terrible. He isn't. He's playing below what he should be but he's far from terrible.
Another fact people should wrap their heads around is what Fishhead said:
Played in conference finals 5 times.
Played in cup finals 3 times
And of course won 2 cups.
To add to that list:
Richards has won a Memorial Cup (Kitchener Rangers - Jr A), World Juniors (Team Canada IIHF), Calder Cup (Philadelphia Phantoms), Olympic Gold (Team Canada), Stanley Cup (Los Angeles Kings), Prince of Wales Trophy (Philadelphia Flyers) and Clarence S. Campbell Bowl (LA Kings). Based on the triple gold winners, he is the only player to win a Championships at Jr (CHL Memorial Cup) Minors (AHL) Professional Stanley Cup (NHL) and at Olympic and World Championship Levels (IIHF and IIHF World Juniors).
You don't get THAT lucky. You have to be a part of that. Yes, being on a good team is key of course but you have to be a key part of that good team to win that much and he has been, whether it is on the scoreboard, in the faceoff dot, in the locker room, whatever. Mike Richards is a winner, through and through. He's won EVERYWHERE he's been. You don't get rid those guys. His play may be down but his leadership and proven track record inspires the rest of the team to be that much better.
KINGS17
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http://nypost.com/2014/11/08/theres-a-good-chance-the-nhl-salary-cap-wont-increase/
Article questioning whether or not there will be an increase in the salary cap next season.
Article questioning whether or not there will be an increase in the salary cap next season.
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