News Article: Mike Hoffman's girlfriend allegedly behind Karlsson Harrassment. Update June15: Hoffman & gf respond

[Liliaceae]

No veteran leadership on this team.

With good leadership and management the Hoffman vs. Karlsson feud would have been squashed instantly.

Unfortunately we have neither.

This was what I was thinking about today. No leadership.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

This was what I was thinking about today. No leadership.

Isnt Karlsson the leader and Captain?

 

[KW]

I'm not an internet geek, but after some searching this is what I've found. I'm not swearing by it, so someone more savvy can correct. Nonetheless, if it is publicly known (is it?) what the Karlssons have for proof (IP address? MAC address?), reasonable opinions can be formed.

- Your router's IP address is easy to get
- Your router's MAC address is easy if you can login to the router (either you have the router's password, or the owner never changed its well-known default password, or you can convince the ISP to help), else it's hard
- Your device's (phone, tablet, computer) MAC address behind the router is nearly impossible without access to the router

If they have the IP address, it limits the suspects to Hoffman/GF/friends/hacker. If they have router MAC address AND the router has a non-default password AND it's using proper encryption, the suspects become limited to Hoffman/GF/whoever they gave a password/very sophisticated hacker. If they have MH's/GF's device MAC address, it's game over OR someone else who has access to the device (known to MH/GF most likely) did it.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Ah yes, the old "there's no bad kids only bad parents" line of thinking...what an ancient argument.

Murray would have sat all 4 of them down and that would have been in the end of it IMO.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Regardless of Hoffman's girlfriend situation, the fact that other teams know Ottawa needs to move on from him lowers our leverage significantly.

I am not sure that's true right now though... It all depends if we sign Karlsson long-term or not i would think.

if we have zero interest in keeping Karlsson, no need to trade Hoffman for crap like i always say.

 

[BigRig4]

I am not sure that's true right now though... It all depends if we sign Karlsson long-term or not i would think.

if we have zero interest in keeping Karlsson, no need to trade Hoffman for crap like i always say.

Even if Karlsson leaves, I don't think the current locker room would want him around anymore.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

This sad case has been headlines in Finland also.
How cruel someone can be that goes public to write out gross messages to the other player's ( Karlsson) wife.

Just a miscarriage of pregnancy is horrible tragedy for each married couple
If this person is not really sick for mentally and disturbed then who is.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

With good leadership and management the Hoffman vs. Karlsson feud would have been squashed instantly.

Unfortunately we have neither.

Yeah maybe but Senators management can't do much in this case.
Yes Dorion can trade Karlsson or Hoffman but that's all.
When some person is mentally sick and disturbed that person belongs to psych ward.

 

[4thlineduster]

I doubt any veteran presence could change anything.

Ultimately this isn’t s feud between teammates it’s a feud between their wives and therefore there’s not much any vet can do other than maybe tell a guy to get his spouse under control which may not even be possible if the guy doesn’t know she’s doing or it or she ignores him.

A situation this toxic can only be fixed by management in the form of moving one out.......which of course management didn’t do because this teams management is junk.

 

[Stylizer1]

Yeah maybe but Senators management can't do much in this case.
Yes Dorion can trade Karlsson or Hoffman but that's all.
When some person is mentally sick and disturbed that person belongs to psych ward.

The Sens ward.

 

[Tighthead]

Well, that definition doesn't really capture the full meaning of civil. I think this description from Webster's website supplements that definition: "civil often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness."

Cordial is a great word - basically means faking being polite while speaking through clenched teeth.

 

[Stylizer1]

I doubt any veteran presence could change anything.

Ultimately this isn’t s feud between teammates it’s a feud between their wives and therefore there’s not much any vet can do other than maybe tell a guy to get his spouse under control which may not even be possible if the guy doesn’t know she’s doing or it or she ignores him.

A situation this toxic can only be fixed by management in the form of moving one out.

I disagree. This is not something that happened over night. it has been brewing for longer than the first allegations were said to have been committed. Too many players all around the same age vying for top jock. It was probably different with Spezza, Alfie(in management), and to a lesser extent Philips and Neil. This doesn't seem like something more mature people partake in. Spezza should have retired a Sen and Karlsson should of been named captain when the time was right. Keeping Turris and Methot around would have been good seeing as they were well respected players in the room. I think everything that has unfolded this season has been too much for Karlsson.

Dammm, I wish we had a new GM and coach to try and make this work.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I disagree. This is not something that happened over night. it has been brewing for longer than the first allegations were said to have been committed. Too many players all around the same age vying for top jock. It was probably different with Spezza, Alfie(in management), and to a lesser extent Philips and Neil. This doesn't seem like something more mature people partake in. Spezza should have retired a Sen and Karlsson should of been named captain when the time was right. Keeping Turris and Methot around would have been good seeing as they were well respected players in the room. I think everything that has unfolded this season has been too much for Karlsson.

Dammm, I wish we had a new GM and coach to try and make this work.

I like how you sneaked in keeping Spezza until retirement in there.

 

[Stylizer1]

I like how you sneaked in keeping Spezza until retirement in there.

I know.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The problem with that is the manipulation/puppet master game is fine when it's just the poor slub of a husband, or someone in the circle, but to play these games when the stakes are so high, and the consequences so potentially damning financially to herself and husband, seems far fetched for someone who is sound of mind but feeds off manipulations. Add the barely hidden names and it makes even less sense from a mastermind perspective.

One terrible tweet would be one thing, but this was months of calculated and constant attacks, you don't ever want to be caught doing that, and a 5 year old could cover their tracks better than adding a 'que' to the end of your names...

I'm increasingly wondering if there is a real mastermind (troll in the basement) behind this, sitting back amazed that the Karlsson's took the bait hook, line, and sinker, along with their hoards of supporters, while the Hoffman's are cornered, under siege, likely to be run out of town like the wild west.

THAT person is the cat playing with all us mice....

Most folks in society simply aren't criminal masterminds. Real life isn't a Hollywood script.

Besides, a real mastermind would pinned the whole thing on Ryan. We already know he has social media issues and likes pranking his teammates online with burner accounts. Would've been a lot easier to set up and manipulate public opinion.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Most folks in society simply aren't criminal masterminds. Real life isn't a Hollywood script.

Besides, a real mastermind would pinned the whole thing on Ryan. We already know he has social media issues and likes pranking his teammates online with burner accounts. Would've been a lot easier to set up and manipulate public opinion.

I was being facetious about 'mastermind', obviously. The situation would seem a waste of real talent.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

The problem with that is the manipulation/puppet master game is fine when it's just the poor slub of a husband, or someone in the circle, but to play these games when the stakes are so high, and the consequences so potentially damning financially to herself and husband, seems far fetched for someone who is sound of mind but feeds off manipulations. Add the barely hidden names and it makes even less sense from a mastermind perspective.

One terrible tweet would be one thing, but this was months of calculated and constant attacks, you don't ever want to be caught doing that, and a 5 year old could cover their tracks better than adding a 'que' to the end of your names...

I'm increasingly wondering if there is a real mastermind (troll in the basement) behind this, sitting back amazed that the Karlsson's took the bait hook, line, and sinker, along with their hoards of supporters, while the Hoffman's are cornered, under siege, likely to be run out of town like the wild west.

THAT person is the cat playing with all us mice....

Messing with someone's mind at any given time is not cool... whether you're a millionaire or not.

But, sociopathic tendencies is what brings that out of a person. Normally, they are very good at it.

 

[albator71]

I'm increasingly wondering if there is a real mastermind (troll in the basement) behind this, sitting back amazed that the Karlsson's took the bait hook, line, and sinker, along with their hoards of supporters, while the Hoffman's are cornered, under siege, likely to be run out of town like the wild west.

THAT person is the cat playing with all us mice....

Bingo! That is very plausible. Im with you Tray.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

So....the professionals the Karlssons hired are in on the mastermind troll in the basement ploy? Or folks think the Karlsson are lying about getting someone to investigate the harassment?

 

[Brannstorm]

People are dying every damn day, cancer, kids, wars, sickness and we talk about this shit.

It is a sport, let these millionaires figure out their easy-to-solve problems while they kiss their boo-boos. f*** em, no offense,

Edit: I don't really mean the above stuff. I just mean I want to talk about hockey!! lol. I understand it is a complicated personal relationship and the problem at hand needs to be resolved.

 

[drewjenks]

The kind that Karlssons collected and their lawyers thought as legit to go through this legal process. A peace bond is no joke.

As long as the Karlssons didn't use the same forensic team that Melnyk used (Cooke forensics or the Ukranian cyber criminals that wiped out Travis Yost's posts)..they must have proof that is not public info atm.

A peace bond does not have the same standard of proof as court. Nothing has to be proven for a peace bond - circumstantial evidence is enough.

And they still haven't been awarded one yet as far as I'm aware.

So I'll ask again. Is there any evidence the WE can look at or is everyone just throwing stones?

 

[drewjenks]

In order to go to the lengths of applying for a peace bond, evidence would have been collected. Had a summons been successfully served, both parties would have been in court and the evidence presented, without sufficient evidence, the Karlsson's open themselves up to litigation for defamation. If you don't think evidence exists, I really don't know what to tell you. We may not be privy to the evidence, and it may not be sufficient proof when it's all said and done, but it would have been enough for a very rich man's highly paid lawyer (Karlson's) to recommend going through this process. I suppose it's possible Karlsson has a terrible lawyer, but occam's razor suggests that this isn't a frivolous accusation and there is at least something there. The most obvious scenario is that in investigating the social media posts, a Norwich order was sought to compel the various social media platforms to provide IP and Mac Addresses of the accounts used to make the posts.

I didn't ask if it exists. I asked if it was available to the public. It's not.

So how does everyone on here already know what happened?

Everyone must know if they're already passing judgement....right?

 

[slamigo]

I have a strong suspicion that this will be settled out of court and won’t be anybody’s business but the parties involved. Both sides will agree to a vague statement and will not comment further.
That would actually be the best thing. Boring for the fan base but probably the best outcome.

 

[Fandlauer]

I have a strong suspicion that this will be settled out of court and won’t be anybody’s business but the parties involved. Both sides will agree to a vague statement and will not comment further.
That would actually be the best thing. Boring for the fan base but probably the best outcome.

Yup. One or both players will be traded. Neither wives will have to be around each other, and everyone is just going to want this to go away.

 

[Benttheknee]

Bingo! That is very plausible. Im with you Tray.

Leafs fans aren`t that smart are they?