Mike Bossy vs Pavel Bure who's the better goal scorer all time?

[TheBig08]

Who's the better goal scorer all time Mike Bossy or Pavel Bure?

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[WarriorofTime]

My man, every thought that comes to your head doesn't need a new thread in the history sub-forum

 

[Fatass]

Bossey

 

[TheBig08]

My man, every thought that comes to your head doesn't need a new thread in the history sub-forum

I like to talk about hockey but i have no one to talk about it with because no one knows anything about it, where i live its not popular. Not meaning to annoy people.

 

[Sentinel]

Neither of these is even in the Top5.

Ovechkin / Gretzky
Hull Sr / Esposito / Howe / Richard
Hull Jr / Lemieux / Bossy
Bure
Kurri / McDavid / Selanne

 

[Crosby2010]

I like to talk about hockey but i have no one to talk about it with because no one knows anything about it, where i live its not popular. Not meaning to annoy people.

Post what you want, I like to talk hockey too! If I am not interested I won't click on it.

The answer to this question is Bossy quite easily I think. Bossy retired early, like Bure, but at least until his last season he was healthy, and 9 straight 50 goal seasons is epic regardless of era. Bure was a fine playoff performer, but he did not have the longevity in the playoffs that Bossy did. And Bossy did the same thing in the playoffs as the regular season. You have to go with Bossy here.

 

[authentic]

Based on talent alone and each at their absolute peak Id be inclined to go with Bure here by a slight amount, overall though I believe Bossy is rightly ranked ahead as a player and goal scorer. His 9 straight 50 goal seasons to start his career and 4 60+ along with consecutive 17 goal playoffs are legendary stuff. Switch their teams and eras and this could be a different conversation but as it played out it’s hard not to go with Bossy.

 

[MadLuke]

To me they can feel a little bit too close to call in term of peak goal scoring ability and result, 94 playoff Bure was really good, from 1986 to today, 1996 Sakic and 1991 Kevin Stevens scored more goal than him in a run.

All-time as said just above, consistency with similar peak, unfair or not, make it really easy to give it to Bossy. he won 4 cups scoring 61 goals in 72 games.

It was a bit of a low parity era but if we look only against solid playoff teams during those 4 years (boston, buf, edm, rangers, flyers, vancouver), he scored 43 in 49, that high level playoff hockey, good competition and scoring at a 1goal per game.

They both have spectacular intl resume, spectacular pre-nhl goal scoring, when it come to score a lot of goals they did everywhere when they were able to play, Bossy did it more and in a row.

 

[Staniowski]

I could talk all day about what a great goal-scorer Bossy was, but I think Bure was even better, maybe the 2nd-best ever, after Lemieux.

It's actually a great comparison, Bossy and Bure were such incredible scorers but very different from each other.

Bossy could score from all over the place, off the rush, great at finding space, great shooter, very focused on scoring goals.

Bure, on the other hand, utilized his explosive skating probably more so than any of the other great goal scorers. It was his skating, stickhandling, scoring instincts, creativity, and his constant nose for the net. He was certainly more of an individualist than Bossy. Bure also was a great shooter, but his skating and stickhandling really were the best of his goal-scoring skills.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

Bossy.

I also don't agree that Bossy can't be in the discussion for Top-5 goal scorer of All Time either. Perhaps ultimately, he doesn't land there, but he's certainly in the discussion.

Bure is like the Allen Iverson of goal scorers. Both little guys, electrifying, quick, they both had their deep runs in the playoffs once, but you really aren't getting anywhere with them year-in/year-out. Too individualistic.

Bossy delivered in a team structure that won it all many times over. If Bossy played with Gretzky, I think he could have had a shot at +90 goals in a season, but I don't think Bure could do that playing with a Gretzky or a Lemieux. He'd drive them batty.

 

[buffalowing88]

It's closer than I would have initially thought but I can't overcome the sheer magnitude of Bossy at his peak. Bure can't match that, even if he was fantastic and the most entertaining player to watch for a good bit there.

 

[Gorskyontario]

Bossy by far.

 

[sr edler]

I could talk all day about what a great goal-scorer Bossy was, but I think Bure was even better, maybe the 2nd-best ever, after Lemieux.

 

[authentic]

I could talk all day about what a great goal-scorer Bossy was, but I think Bure was even better, maybe the 2nd-best ever, after Lemieux.

It's actually a great comparison, Bossy and Bure were such incredible scorers but very different from each other.

Bossy could score from all over the place, off the rush, great at finding space, great shooter, very focused on scoring goals.

Bure, on the other hand, utilized his explosive skating probably more so than any of the other great goal scorers. It was his skating, stickhandling, scoring instincts, creativity, and his constant nose for the net. He was certainly more of an individualist than Bossy. Bure also was a great shooter, but his skating and stickhandling really were the best of his goal-scoring skills.

Not sure if I fully believe this but the thought has certainly crossed my mind

 

[Sentinel]

It's closer than I would have initially thought but I can't overcome the sheer magnitude of Bossy at his peak. Bure can't match that, even if he was fantastic and the most entertaining player to watch for a good bit there.

"Magnitude of Bossy"? He only led the league in goalscoring two measily times while playing with phenomenal passers. Bure did it three times with drastically worse teammates.

 

[Gorskyontario]

"Magnitude of Bossy"? He only led the league in goalscoring two measily times while playing with phenomenal passers. Bure did it three times with drastically worse teammates.

How many times did Bure score 17 goals in the playoffs?

 

[Professor What]

How many times did Bure score 17 goals in the playoffs?

Bossy did it in a much higher scoring era. Nitpicking between 17 in the high-flying 80s and 16 in 1994 in favor of the 17 is a bit odd to say the least.

 

[Weztex]

Neither of these is even in the Top5.

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I'm amazed to see people laughing at the suggestion that neither are all-time top-5 scorers. Let's see.

• At this point Ovechkin is seen by most as the greatest scorer of all-time. He's above both
• Hull had a very similar career as Ovechkin as long as putting the puck in the net goes. He's above both.
• Gretzky scored more than Bossy head to head. Bossy is destroying Bure in the poll. Ipso facto, he's above both.
• Esposito trampled the goal scoring race for half a decade by margins a handful ever reached. He's above both.

So if you consider Bossy and Bure among the top-5 scorer in history, you either have to put one of them ahead of Maurice Richard, who's scoring level compares at least to Bossy's but with a full career, or Mario Lemieux who is...well, Mario Lemieux. Not only that but you basically have to totally disregard old timers like Conacher.

If you're laughing at Sentinel's suggestion you're on the wrong sub-forum.

 

[Gorskyontario]

Bossy did it in a much higher scoring era. Nitpicking between 17 in the high-flying 80s and 16 in 1994 in favor of the 17 is a bit odd to say the least.

So, as I said how many times did Bure score 17 goals?

I'm pretty sure Bossy scored 17 goals more often than Bure made it out of the first round.

 

[Professor What]

So, as I said how many times did Bure score 17 goals?

I'm pretty sure Bossy scored 17 goals more often than Bure made it out of the first round.

First of all, you're factually wrong. Bossy scored 17 three times and Bure was in the second round four times. Second, now you're faulting him for being on lousy teams that didn't give him a chance to make a run at those kind of numbers. The one true deep playoff run he was a part of, he led the playoffs in goals.

 

[67 others]

"Magnitude of Bossy"? He only led the league in goalscoring two measily times while playing with phenomenal passers. Bure did it three times with drastically worse teammates.

Bossy scored 58 goals and 117 points and turned Sutter, a 45 point defensive depth center, into a 100+ point player the year Trottier was too injured to play his usual role lol

It's revisionist history to diminish Bossy. He was the straw that stirred the drink offensively for the NYI and at the time, everyone knew he was the guy elevating the offense of those around him.

Bure was the ultimate Individualist, who would do figure 8's looking to cherry pick with his acceleration.

Now Paul Coffey and Bure would have gotten along splendidly.

 

[Gorskyontario]

First of all, you're factually wrong. Bossy scored 17 three times and Bure was in the second round four times. Second, now you're faulting him for being on lousy teams that didn't give him a chance to make a run at those kind of numbers. The one true deep playoff run he was a part of, he led the playoffs in goals.

Those teams were lousy because Bure was playing 30 minutes a night without putting any effort into defense, or team play.

Bossy scored 17 three times and Bure was in the second round four times.

That's pretty impressive that Bure managed to exit the first round one more time than Bossy had 17 goals.

 

[Professor What]

Those teams were lousy because Bure was playing 30 minutes a night without putting any effort into defense, or team play.



That's pretty impressive that Bure managed to exit the first round one more time than Bossy had 17 goals.

One player isn't responsible for a team being lousy, and if you bothered to take a look at the rosters, you'd see that they were lousy teams.

And it's pretty impressive that you have no regard for facts.

 

[Gorskyontario]

One player isn't responsible for a team being lousy, and if you bothered to take a look at the rosters, you'd see that they were lousy teams.

And it's pretty impressive that you have no regard for facts.

Well to be clear, "I'm pretty sure Bossy scored 17 goals more often than Bure made it out of the first round."

I said I was pretty sure, I was not stating a fact.

The fact is, Bure was awful defensively, and an awful playmaker. He was a good goal scorer, no doubt about it. One of the best, but as an overall offensive package he pales in comparison to most of his contemporaries.

 

[Gorskyontario]

goals per game

Mike Bossy: .762(1st all time)
Pavel Bure: .623 (6th all time)

points per game

Mike Bossy: 1.497 (4th all time)
Pavel Bure: 1.110 (29th all time)

Lets not compare playoffs, we want it to be remotely fair.