Mike Babcock Blocked Niklas Jensen trade in 2019

[Throw More Waffles]

Many fans are still judging the current GM and Coach based on what happened when Babcock was the coach.

I don't blame them - it was just last season after all.

Under our old gm, Babcock coached the leafs to a franchise record 105 points.

It's abundantly clear that Dubas and Babcock had entirely different visions for the team, so he had to go.

I'm part of the crew that doesn't understand the obsession with the former coach of the best leaf regular season of the modern era.

 

[zeke]

Under our old gm, Babcock coached the leafs to a franchise record 105 points.

It's abundantly clear that Dubas and Babcock had entirely different visions for the team, so he had to go.

I'm part of the crew that doesn't understand the obsession with the former coach of the best leaf regular season of the modern era.

This post is a perfect representation of why Babcock continues to be relevant to assessing this current team.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

This post is a perfect representation of why Babcock continues to be relevant to assessing this current team.

What exactly are you trying to prove? We know that Babcock can succeed when he see's eye to eye with his gm.

We know Babcock and Dubas didn't see eye to eye, so it was a horrible fit. If they're sticking with Dubas, Babcock had to go.

I'm not sure if anybody disagrees with any of this.

So why bring it up? Yes. We know that Babcock didn't fit as Dubas's coach. Nobody questions that.

 

[zeke]

What exactly are you trying to prove? We know that Babcock can succeed when he see's eye to eye with his gm.

We know Babcock and Dubas didn't see eye to eye, so it was a horrible fit. If they're sticking with Dubas, Babcock had to go.

I'm not sure if anybody disagrees with any of this.

So why bring it up? Yes. We know that Babcock didn't fit as Dubas's coach. Nobody questions that.

Why are you guys so upset that people want to discuss the impact of the leafs' longterm coach on this team here in the FIRST season where we can see this team minus his influence?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Why are you guys so upset that people want to discuss the impact of the leafs' longterm coach on this team here in the FIRST season where we can see this team minus his influence?

I think the teams playing better with a coach that sees eye to eye with our gm’s vision. This isn’t exactly rocket science. And I don’t think anybody disagrees with it.

 

[zeke]

I think the teams playing better with a coach that sees eye to eye with our gm’s vision. This isn’t exactly rocket science. And I don’t think anybody disagrees with it.

Plenty of people disagreed with the idea that the leafs had played better under Keefe, dismissing it as just a coaching change hot streak that quickly fizzled. Many are dismissing this year's performance as a genuine improvement, instead claiming it's just a matthews hot streak or weak competition.

Some people have long argued that Babcock had an increasingly negative impact on this team - while other fans mocked them and told them the roster was at fault and that Babcock made them look better than they were.

All these arguments can now be finally elucidated here in the first season we can watch this core without babcock's influence. Why would we ignore it?

Anyways, Babcock's "team record" 105pt season might have some light shed on it by looking at the team's 111pt pace in Keefe's first 69gms....a pace not sustained by the type of goaltending that 105pt team had.

 

[IPS]

Plenty of people disagreed with the idea that the leafs had played better under Keefe, dismissing it as just a coaching change hot streak that quickly fizzled. Many are dismissing this year's performance as a genuine improvement, instead claiming it's just a matthews hot streak or weak competition.

Some people have long argued that Babcock had an increasingly negative impact on this team - while other fans mocked them and told them the roster was at fault and that Babcock made them look better than they were.

All these arguments can now be finally elucidated here in the first season we can watch this core without babcock's influence. Why would we ignore it?

Anyways, Babcock's "team record" 105pt season might have some light shed on it by looking at the team's 111pt pace in Keefe's first 69gms....a pace not sustained by the type of goaltending that 105pt team had.

That "franchise record" drivel got so tiresome to listen to. They were virtually identical to the 18/19 team with the difference being the shootout.

 

[IPS]

The absence of Babcock's incessant line matching alone makes the Leafs a better team, let alone all of his other coaching blunders. He'd play Matthews for like 10-15 second shifts then call him off the ice to put Kadri when the other team put their best C out.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Plenty of people disagreed with the idea that the leafs had played better under Keefe, dismissing it as just a coaching change hot streak that quickly fizzled. Many are dismissing this year's performance as a genuine improvement, instead claiming it's just a matthews hot streak or weak competition.

Some people have long argued that Babcock had an increasingly negative impact on this team - while other fans mocked them and told them the roster was at fault and that Babcock made them look better than they were.

All these arguments can now be finally elucidated here in the first season we can watch this core without babcock's influence. Why would we ignore it?

Anyways, Babcock's "team record" 105pt season might have some light shed on it by looking at the team's 111pt pace in Keefe's first 69gms....a pace not sustained by the type of goaltending that 105pt team had.

I think you’re tilting at windmills here.

Using our highly skilled top players the same way every other coach uses their highly skilled top players is a net positive that I think quite literally may be the one and only thing every poster here agrees with.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Mom o man what’s up with this previous coach obsession ???
Who the Fffffffffff cares !
Let’s all move on boys and girls
New Leafs
New dynamic coach
New players
Gooooo Friggen Leafs Go !

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Jensen is shit. Babcock did a good here.

 

[Mickey Marner]

By 2018 Babcock had already cut off his nose to spite his face. He'd rather die the villian than live long enough to be the hero.

 

[The Beyonder]

His obsession with left handed LD and right handed RD is bonkers to me. He stopped his team from improving because it didn't fit is rigid philosophy. That level of immutable thinking as a coach is and was a recipe for failure. It's amazing how supportive and patient Dubas was with Babs despite all this happening behind closed doors.

 

[Damisoph]

who cares clap clap

 

[Twowingcantfly]

Absurd assumption. Babcock was the coach. He had no say anyways. Dubas made all the moves and did not consult with Babcock before he made any of them.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

My take from this is that the Leafs are open to the idea of a puck moving 3rd pair so I look extremely forward to Liljegren jumping in.

Babcock drew a line in the sand with tonnes of players here and either played them or ended their careers. This is no different.

 

[hullsy47]

Then goes and complains Muzzin isn’t a righty. Babcock turned out to be stubborn prick.

He still doesn't get it .he is a Mike Keenan type
Send him to the KHL

 

[nsleaf]

Babcock is no longer relevent to the Leaf's current success but playing the same 6 teams is.

 

[Notsince67]

As long as you are judging this team, GM, and Coach from only what has happened since Nov 21 2019 and nothing prior to that, then I agree with you.

....except...
Heard Babcock has been interviewing in Montreal

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Under our old gm, Babcock coached the leafs to a franchise record 105 points.

It's abundantly clear that Dubas and Babcock had entirely different visions for the team, so he had to go.

I'm part of the crew that doesn't understand the obsession with the former coach of the best leaf regular season of the modern era.

So what if he had 105 pts. We still looked like shit while getting all those wins. We were horrible defensively while giving up something like 36 shots per game. We got all those wins because we were out scoring our problems and like others have pointed out, we were near perfect in the shootout that year. Everyone in both the Leafs fan base as well as around the league knew we weren't going to get far in the playoffs playing loose run and gun hockey. The guy refused to make adjustments, change his ways, or admit when he was wrong. He made many questionable decisions that cost wins and seems to have been purposely spiteful towards the GM and im glad he's gone.

Now look at how we're playing under Keefe. We are currently 17-4-2 on pace for 128 pts over a full 82 game season and actually look great while doing it. We're still scoring in bunches but we are no longer giving up a ton of odd man rushes, leaving guys open in the slot for one-timers, limiting teams to 25 shots and no longer blowing leads every couple games. We actually look like a cup contender finally.

 

[francis246]

Because he sabotaged us against Boston twice and I'm still angry.

he didn’t sabotage shit. The players couldn’t get the job done. The only questionable thing he did was play hyman who was clearly injured (I still to this day do not understand that) but every coach has their guy(s) that they will run into the ground

 

[Throw More Waffles]

So what if he had 105 pts. We still looked like shit while getting all those wins. We were horrible defensively while giving up something like 36 shots per game. We got all those wins because we were out scoring our problems and like others have pointed out, we were near perfect in the shootout that year. Everyone in both the Leafs fan base as well as around the league knew we weren't going to get far in the playoffs playing loose run and gun hockey. The guy refused to make adjustments, change his ways, or admit when he was wrong. He made many questionable decisions that cost wins and seems to have been purposely spiteful towards the GM and im glad he's gone.

Now look at how we're playing under Keefe. We are currently 17-4-2 on pace for 128 pts over a full 82 game season and actually look great while doing it. We're still scoring in bunches but we are no longer giving up a ton of odd man rushes, leaving guys open in the slot for one-timers, limiting teams to 25 shots and no longer blowing leads every couple games. We actually look like a cup contender finally.

Babcock and Lou saw eye to eye regarding the team... and it lead to a franchise record in points.

Babcock and Dubas did not see eye to eye in the slightest... and the team performed disappointingly.

So I don't understand what's controversial here. If ownership was going with Dubas, they needed a coach that see's eye to eye with him. Clearly. Keefe is that guy. And it's of course working better than the coach that battled him every step of the way.

 

[zeke]

Since Matthews:

Babcock: 269gms, 98pts pace
Keefe: 71gms, 112pts pace

 

[Anthrax442]

he didn’t sabotage shit. The players couldn’t get the job done. The only questionable thing he did was play hyman who was clearly injured (I still to this day do not understand that) but every coach has their guy(s) that they will run into the ground

He was outcoached. Last time they met, Leafs were the favourites. They were up in the series going into game 6

 

[Teeder Keon]

Who is this Mike Babcock that I see in this thread title ??