Value of: Mikael Backlund and Rasmus Andersson to Vancouver

[viper0220]

The Vancouver Canucks are in a tail spin, what they need is veteran players to calm the situation in the lockeroom down. And Mikael Backlund and Rasmus Andersson can provide that leader ship where they can provide leadership and get the situation under control.

What would the Flames be able to get for Mikael Backlund and Rasmus Andersson retained(for both or one) from the Vancouver Canucks?

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[Kielbasa]

So... You're asking the Flames to gut their team while in the middle of a playoff race. Additionally, your asking that they send their 1/2 D-man and their captain to a traditional rival they are competing for a wildcard spot with.

The answer is most likely a flat out no, and if it's even possible, the return starts with a 1st rnd pick, Willander, and a good centre prospect (no one in the VAN system really fits the bill).

Yes I know that's a high ask, but you're essentially asking a team that doesn't want to rebuild to rebuild.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

So... You're asking the Flames to gut their team while in the middle of a playoff race. Additionally, your asking that they send their 1/2 D-man and their captain to a traditional rival they are competing for a wildcard spot with.

The answer is most likely a flat out no, and if it's even possible, the return starts with a 1st rnd pick, Willander, and a good centre prospect (no one in the VAN system really fits the bill).

Yes I know that's a high ask, but you're essentially asking a team that doesn't want to rebuild to rebuild.

I mean they dealt them Lindholm and Zadorov last season so it seems like they'd be fine dealing with them. That said if Calgary decides to go all in for the playoffs they risk losing Andersson for nothing. IMO they should cash in on him if they can't extend him.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Nucks will not give up what is required.

Not now and not with all the injuries and drama around JT and EP.

 

[Kahvi]

I mean they dealt them Lindholm and Zadorov last season so it seems like they'd be fine dealing with them. That said if Calgary decides to go all in for the playoffs they risk losing Andersson for nothing. IMO they should cash in on him if they can't extend him.

Andersson's contract ends in 25-26

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Andersson's contract ends in 25-26

My bad. If that's the case then it buys them time.

 

[Kielbasa]

I mean they dealt them Lindholm and Zadorov last season so it seems like they'd be fine dealing with them. That said if Calgary decides to go all in for the playoffs they risk losing Andersson for nothing. IMO they should cash in on him if they can't extend him.

Andersson has another year on his contract, they just re-signed Backlund. Neither are a risk to walk this offseason.

TBH I think the Flames should trade Andersson and rebuild this season, but they would probably get more value trading pieces individually unless a really high end prospect becomes available.

 

[Prairie Habs]

I mean they dealt them Lindholm and Zadorov last season so it seems like they'd be fine dealing with them. That said if Calgary decides to go all in for the playoffs they risk losing Andersson for nothing. IMO they should cash in on him if they can't extend him.

Last season the flames finished 28 points behind the Canucks, this season they are 1 point behind them. The flames also already traded their 1st to Montreal (with top 10 protection), so they aren't really incentivized to sell pieces unless they plan to REALLY bottom out.

 

[kcunac]

JT Miller?

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Andersson will cost a boatload. Top pairing RD. Still another season on a value contract. This is a blue chip prospect + 1st to start the conversation.

If Andersson goes on the block it's an instant bidding war with a bunch of clubs. Calgary won't trade him to the Oilers, but they likely use us to drive the price up. I don't see how it isn't a teams 1st + top prospect and then add more to be the winning bidder.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Last season the flames finished 28 points behind the Canucks, this season they are 1 point behind them. The flames also already traded their 1st to Montreal (with top 10 protection), so they aren't really incentivized to sell pieces unless they plan to REALLY bottom out.

It's still 2 months until the deadline, they're only 5 points out of a top 10 pick and 8 points out of the top 5. They are literally closer to a top 10 draft pick than they are to WC1. And considering this team has only scored 4+ goals in regulation twice since October 13th, and both times were against the team in dead last (Hawks and Preds respectively), no I don't think they will be pushing for playoffs.

A couple years ago the east was pretty much decided by January and the West is almost that right now this year. More than likely we will see at least one of Vancouver, St. Louis, Utah, or Calgary pull ahead of the others over the next month and more or less lock up that last wild card spot.

 

[Prairie Habs]

It's still 2 months until the deadline, they're only 5 points out of a top 10 pick and 8 points out of the top 5. They are literally closer to a top 10 draft pick than they are to WC1. And considering this team has only scored 4+ goals in regulation twice since October 13th, and both times were against the team in dead last (Hawks and Preds respectively), no I don't think they will be pushing for playoffs.

A couple years ago the east was pretty much decided by January and the West is almost that right now this year. More than likely we will see at least one of Vancouver, St. Louis, Utah, or Calgary pull ahead of the others over the next month and more or less lock up that last wild card spot.

I guarantee the team would be looking for reasons to try and compete rather than reasons to try and burn it down. You are also arbitrarily raising the bar by comparing their position to WC1 rather than WC2, the actual team they are chasing (and team OP is proposing they trade with).

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I guarantee the team would be looking for reasons to try and compete rather than reasons to try and burn it down. You are also arbitrarily raising the bar by comparing their position to WC1 rather than WC2, the actual team they are chasing (and team OP is proposing they trade with).

Huh? Did you even read what I wrote? The race in the west is essentially down to 1 spot (WC2). Which is pretty much a guaranteed match up against Vegas or Winnipeg (probably Vegas). As I said quite clearly in my post, one of those 4 teams; Vancouver, St. louis, Calgary, or Utah, is probably going to put some distance on others over the next month. I'm not saying that Calgary won't stay in the race but I would not bet on them based on scoring this season.

If we are entering February and Calgary is 5+ points behind Vancouver I see no reason they can't make a trade involving Andersson. I highly doubt Backlund is moved this season though.

 

[MNRube]

Willander for RA is about as good a single piece as Flames could hope to get back. RHD with very high floor and close to NHL ready.

Backlund harder to value. Probably a 1st plus a prospect.

Either way, I doubt Flames would agree to this. Can’t help give a rival exactly what they need to contend

 

[Prairie Habs]

Huh? Did you even read what I wrote? The race in the west is essentially down to 1 spot (WC2). Which is pretty much a guaranteed match up against Vegas or Winnipeg (probably Vegas). As I said quite clearly in my post, one of those 4 teams; Vancouver, St. louis, Calgary, or Utah, is probably going to put some distance on others over the next month. I'm not saying that Calgary won't stay in the race but I would not bet on them based on scoring this season.

If we are entering February and Calgary is 5+ points behind Vancouver I see no reason they can't make a trade involving Andersson. I highly doubt Backlund is moved this season though.

And did you even read what I wrote? They can't half-ass tank because they traded their first with top 10 protection, and they won't full on tank because they are 1 point out of a playoff spot. Playing another month at this pace, then trading andersson, won't take them from 15th in the league all the way to the bottom 10.

 

[SaintMorose]

And did you even read what I wrote? They can't half-ass tank because they traded their first with top 10 protection, and they won't full on tank because they are 1 point out of a playoff spot. Playing another month at this pace, then trading andersson, won't take them from 15th in the league all the way to the bottom 10.

The weird thing is Calgary is full-on tanking, they traded 3 of their Top 5 Dmen last season, they traded their 2 leading point scorers from 22-23 and their number 1 goalie and a 2nd line winger to top it off.

I'm not sure of any team that makes those trades over 16 months, without returning anyone meant to step in and immediately replace those players and wouldn't be considered full tanking.

 

[Coffee]

The Vancouver Canucks are in a tail spin, what they need is veteran players to calm the situation in the lockeroom down. And Mikael Backlund and Rasmus Andersson can provide that leader ship where they can provide leadership and get the situation under control.

What would the Flames be able to get for Mikael Backlund and Rasmus Andersson retained(for both or one) from the Vancouver Canucks?

Why are you giving up on the Flames?

 

[viper0220]

Why are you giving up on the Flames?

The Flames are a bubble team and this year they cannot afford that.

The Flames need to be securely in a playoff spot or in the bottom 10.

They are riding a hot goalie(rookie goalie on top of that), this may not last long.

 

[Coffee]

The Flames are a bubble team and this year they cannot afford that.

The Flames need to be securely in a playoff spot or in the bottom 10.

They are riding a hot goalie(rookie goalie on top of that), this may not last long.

Rookie goalie is legit

 

[viper0220]

Rookie goalie is legit

He is but it is a lot to ask of him. The Flames have not scored more than 4 goals in a while, I believe and this is not a sustainable situation.

 

[Coffee]

He is but it is a lot to ask of him. The Flames have not scored more than 4 goals in a while, I believe and this is not a sustainable situation.

Fair enough

 

[Icebreakers]

Willander for RA is about as good a single piece as Flames could hope to get back. RHD with very high floor and close to NHL ready.

Backlund harder to value. Probably a 1st plus a prospect.

Either way, I doubt Flames would agree to this. Can’t help give a rival exactly what they need to contend

Backlund is a 35 year old pacing for 40 points. Hes not gonna command a 1st +....

 

[Zaddy91]

We must join forces to beat the Oilers.

 

[Coffee]

We must join forces to beat the Oilers.

Don’t need to defeat the Oilers necessarily, we just need to defeat @Coffey and Number4

The Oilers main power sources

 

[MNRube]

Backlund is a 35 year old pacing for 40 points. Hes not gonna command a 1st +....

He’s a good veteran and a proven shutdown C. Lesser assets go for more every single deadline.