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Miikka Kiprusoff vs Jonathan Quick

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Miikka Kiprusoff vs Jonathan Quick

  • Miikka Kiprusoff

  • Jonathan Quick

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This one's a little tough for me. I voted "too close to call" even though upon thinking about it afterwards, I should have voted for Quick, but the poll doesn't allow for changing your vote. I'm also operating under the assumption that there's a nuanced difference between "peak" and "prime." By how I understand they're generally used, "peak" can be a single season, but "prime" by definition means something in the neighborhood of 5 years. Operating under those definitions, my opinion is that Quick had a better prime. Their peaks are comparable, though Quick's peak (2012) resulted in a cup win.
 
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Summer Rose said:
This one's a little tough for me. I voted "too close to call" even though upon thinking about it afterwards, I should have voted for Quick, but the poll doesn't allow for changing your vote. I'm also operating under the assumption that there's a nuanced difference between "peak" and "prime." By how I understand they're generally used, "peak" can be a single season, but "prime" by definition means something in the neighborhood of 5 years. Operating under those definitions, my opinion is that Quick had a better prime. Their peaks are comparable, though Quick's peak (2012) resulted in a cup win.
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Paper said:
Same with Kiprusoff's peak (2004) though. :p

Bias-ly voting Kiprusoff, but probably too close to call would be fair vote.
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It was probably in, but the on-ice ruling was no goal and the video evidence was not sufficient to call it a goal. Them's the breaks.

Was rooting for Calgary that year, but ended up missing games 6 and 7 because I went on a trip overseas. Now I'm married to a Bolts fan. :laugh:
 
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This is pretty close for me. Their peak playoff runs and seasons are similar and both had a few other high end years with some only ok seasons mixed in. I’d say Quick had the better career with a longer run of games outside of his prime, and more playoff runs beyond just his best, but in terms of just prime I’d say it’s basically a pick-em. I also think just from watching as a fan of an opposing team who played them both a lot, Quick felt more unbeatable when he was on. I’d give him the edge by a hair
 
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Miika Kiprusoff

Sv% finished
2003-04 NHL .933 (2nd)
2005-06 NHL .923 (3rd)
2006-07 NHL .917 (9th)
2009-10 NHL .920 (10th)
2011-12 NHL .921 (9th)

GSAA
2003-04 NHL 21 (5th)
2005-06 NHL 42 (1st)
2006-07 NHL 27 (3rd)
2009-10 NHL 18 (9th)
2011-12 NHL 14 (8th)

GP
2005-06 NHL 74 (2nd)
2006-07 NHL 74 (3rd)
2007-08 NHL 76 (3rd)
2008-09 NHL 76 (1st)
2009-10 NHL 73 (2nd)
2010-11 NHL 71 (3rd)
2011-12 NHL 70 (3rd)

Shots against
2005-06 NHL 1951 (5th)
2006-07 NHL 2190 (1st)
2007-08 NHL 2096 (3rd)
2008-09 NHL 2155 (1st)
2009-10 NHL 2035 (6th)
2010-11 NHL 1935 (7th)
2011-12 NHL 2040 (4th)



Jonathan Quick

Sv%
2011-12 NHL .929 (5th)

GSAA
2011-12 NHL 28 (3rd)
2017-18 NHL 17 (8th)

GP
2009-10 NHL 72 (4th)
2011-12 NHL 69 (4th)
2014-15 NHL 72 (2nd)
2015-16 NHL 68 (1st)
2017-18 NHL 64 (6th)

Shots against
2009-10 NHL 1927 (9th)
2011-12 NHL 1863 (10th)
2014-15 NHL 1896 (6th)
2015-16 NHL 1820 (5th)
2017-18 NHL 1867 (8th)


Not only did Kiprusoff have better stats that come closest to representing individual play, but he had the consistently harder workload year to year. Playing more games, facing more shots and doing it on generally worse teams. I don't really think this is all that close other than when comparing their best peak season.
 
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I really like Quick, but he never had a stretch like Kipper from 2004-2007 (top 3 Vezina voting every year; 1 win) or even 2004-2010 (top 8 in Vezina voting every year.)
 
centipede2233 said:
Kipper for me. He played on an inferior team. Here’s calgarys cup run roster.

Also has 7 consecutive 70 gp+ seasons
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I say Kipper for the same reasons. But you explained it a whole lot better than I was going to. That CGY roster is pretty uninspiring. Getting that group to go deep is impressive, and with better support Kipper would have won Cups in CGY.

But the 7 consecutive 70+GP seasons is the real shocker here. Today "workhorse" goalies play 60 or 65. Playing that many games is a big deal.

For comparison, Quick played 70+ games twice, and was close 2 other times. Those 4 were not consecutive.
 
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Kiprusoff is the best goalie of the 00s decade. Not many other goalies are better than him, and Quick is not one
 
Summer Rose said:
It was probably in, but the on-ice ruling was no goal and the video evidence was not sufficient to call it a goal. Them's the breaks.

Was rooting for Calgary that year, but ended up missing games 6 and 7 because I went on a trip overseas. Now I'm married to a Bolts fan. :laugh:
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So it's your fault. I've been blaming my niece who was born the day of game 6. :laugh:

On to the question.... it's a tough one, do I go for the goalie who almost one a cup with the team I supported or do I go for the goalie who technically won a cup with the team I support :laugh::laugh: I'm tempted to say Kipper.... so I will. It's proabably a bit closer in reality, but reality is boring.
 
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I think Kiprusoff is one of the best goalies ever. When he was hot, he was as good as any goalie I have seen. As an Oiler fan he was a nightmare. There were some games the Oilers might get 1 goal on him and after that you may as well turn off the TV, it felt like they had no chance to score on him again.
 
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Cup Or Bust said:
I think Kiprusoff is one of the best goalies ever. When he was hot, he was as good as any goalie I have seen. As an Oiler fan he was a nightmare. There were some games the Oilers might get 1 goal on him and after that you may as well turn off the TV, it felt like they had no chance to score on him again.
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I can totally get on board with that. If anything, considering his market, I think he's generally overlooked around here, and fully concur with the vibe that some nights you'd play him and if you knew he was 'on,' you weren't winning.

That being said...


Felidae said:
Miika Kiprusoff

Sv% finished
2003-04 NHL .933 (2nd)
2005-06 NHL .923 (3rd)
2006-07 NHL .917 (9th)
2009-10 NHL .920 (10th)
2011-12 NHL .921 (9th)

GSAA
2003-04 NHL 21 (5th)
2005-06 NHL 42 (1st)
2006-07 NHL 27 (3rd)
2009-10 NHL 18 (9th)
2011-12 NHL 14 (8th)

GP
2005-06 NHL 74 (2nd)
2006-07 NHL 74 (3rd)
2007-08 NHL 76 (3rd)
2008-09 NHL 76 (1st)
2009-10 NHL 73 (2nd)
2010-11 NHL 71 (3rd)
2011-12 NHL 70 (3rd)

Shots against
2005-06 NHL 1951 (5th)
2006-07 NHL 2190 (1st)
2007-08 NHL 2096 (3rd)
2008-09 NHL 2155 (1st)
2009-10 NHL 2035 (6th)
2010-11 NHL 1935 (7th)
2011-12 NHL 2040 (4th)



Jonathan Quick

Sv%
2011-12 NHL .929 (5th)

GSAA
2011-12 NHL 28 (3rd)
2017-18 NHL 17 (8th)

GP
2009-10 NHL 72 (4th)
2011-12 NHL 69 (4th)
2014-15 NHL 72 (2nd)
2015-16 NHL 68 (1st)
2017-18 NHL 64 (6th)

Shots against
2009-10 NHL 1927 (9th)
2011-12 NHL 1863 (10th)
2014-15 NHL 1896 (6th)
2015-16 NHL 1820 (5th)
2017-18 NHL 1867 (8th)


Not only did Kiprusoff have better stats that come closest to representing individual play, but he had the consistently harder workload year to year. Playing more games, facing more shots and doing it on generally worse teams. I don't really think this is all that close other than when comparing their best peak season.
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...I feel like a lot of this is focused solely on Kipper's regular season compiling stats; if we're talking about prime and peak as queried in the OP I don't think you can leave out playoffs and accomplishments, and I don't think many who faced Quick would prefer to face him. I also don't think many goalies can claim they had as dominant a season start-to-finish as Jonathan Quick did in 2012...and he literally got back surgery after. He did all that whiel having to literally lay down in the aisles of the team plane during the playoffs.

I'm glad he's stuck around long enough that we're talking about his compiled records, becasue for a while there, he was a workhorse that was looking to be breaking down...but let's not overlook where Quick built his rep and made his career as a big game goalie.

And for the record I wrote too close to call. Just a voice towards Quick.
 
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