Confirmed with Link: Michal Handzus to Chicago for SJ's own 2013 4th round pick back

[LadyStanley]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/kevin-kurz/handzus-traded-chicago

Kurz says the 4th we got back was our own.

 

[Barrie22]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/kevin-kurz/handzus-traded-chicago

Kurz says the 4th we got back was our own.

even better, it means its a better 4th round pick

 

[Kitten Mittons]

i like how wilson is taking all the slow options away from mclellan lol.

I think McLellan takes all the slow options because the concussion cause by McGinn's bench stick hit slowed his reaction times permanently.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/kevin-kurz/handzus-traded-chicago

Kurz says the 4th we got back was our own.

GM of the year x2.

 

[drunksage]

Excellent! Glad DW recognizes the need for speed.

Pretty sure he just remembered that there's no shootouts in the playoffs.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

I know a lot of people are saying "too little too late" for DW, but the team has been in win-now mode pretty much the entire time he's been here. I think he should at least be given the chance to attempt a rebuild on the fly before getting the boot.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

even better, it means its a better 4th round pick

All this trade does is make up for giving away the 4th rounder to Anaheim when they re-signed Huskins for some reason. lol

 

[Coily]

Doug Wilson saw Pavelski on his own line and thought wow Handzus is useless.

 

[sjshrky27]

Handzus on XM NHL

 

[Squeeven]

That would be better for us cuz it's the higher pick.



That's a whole lotta future busts. Awesome.

I know you love to play devils advocate (not sure if that's the right term) and I am by no means trying to start an argument with you or anything but what's with the pessimism all the time? We've actually had some really good draft picks in the past 10 years or so so I'm just curious to why you think our picks for this draft will probably be busts as I personally think DW is a pretty damn good GM despite signings like Wallin, White and Zeus but drafting I think he knows what he's doing:

Setoguchi - 1st round 8th overall
Couture - 1st round 9th overall
Hertl - 1st round 17th overall (likely not a bust)
Coyle - 1st round 28th overall
Vlasic - 2nd round 35th overall
Lalancette - 4th round 109th overall (doubt he's a bust)
Pavelski - 7th round 205th overall
Braun - 7th round 201st overall
Wingels - 6th round 177th overall
Demers - 7th round 186th overall

 

[TealTownUSA]

Pretty sure he just remembered that there's no shootouts in the playoffs.

yes, thank you.

 

[CrazedZooChimp]

As someone who didn't hate Zeus as much as most around here, I'm pretty stoked we got a 4th (and OUR 4th) back for him.

im meh on the trade. seems it adresses some of our face off needs and frees up a contract spot for the sharks

Most folks around here hate Handzus because he was one of the slowest guys on our already slow team. But, if you need faceoff help he may actually be useful to you. The Sharks have only centers and are good on faceoffs top to bottom, so it was never really a critical skill for us.

 

[Kitten Mittons]

I know you love to play devils advocate (not sure if that's the right term) and I am by no means trying to start an argument with you or anything but what's with the pessimism all the time?

Pessimism is hilarious.

 

[Squeeven]

Pessimism is hilarious.

I guess but I often wonder if you have any hope for the organization lol

 

[Kitten Mittons]

I guess but I often wonder if you have any hope for the organization lol

Lol no way.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I guess but I often wonder if you have any hope for the organization lol

That man just has no hope.

 

[Linkster]

DW is sabotaging every top cup contender with our garbage. Brilliant.

Made me lol at work.

Just having a conversation last week about "turd-in-the-punchbowl" strategies and Angelo Mozilo of Countrywide Mortgage. Poop in the global financial betting pool and win valuable prizes, etc.

 

[Kitten Mittons]

Hope is for the weak.

 

[19sharks19]

Doug Wilson saw Pavelski on his own line and thought wow Handzus is useless.

He he, yeh, so true.

We are still only 50% of the way there....we still need to rid ourselves of Burish and his awful contract..

 

[SJeasy]

I know you love to play devils advocate (not sure if that's the right term) and I am by no means trying to start an argument with you or anything but what's with the pessimism all the time? We've actually had some really good draft picks in the past 10 years or so so I'm just curious to why you think our picks for this draft will probably be busts as I personally think DW is a pretty damn good GM despite signings like Wallin, White and Zeus but drafting I think he knows what he's doing:

Setoguchi - 1st round 8th overall
Couture - 1st round 9th overall
Hertl - 1st round 17th overall (likely not a bust)
Coyle - 1st round 28th overall
Vlasic - 2nd round 35th overall
Lalancette - 4th round 109th overall (doubt he's a bust)
Pavelski - 7th round 205th overall
Braun - 7th round 201st overall
Wingels - 6th round 177th overall
Demers - 7th round 186th overall

You have to compare to what other teams do. You can't just look at your own team. Ideally, a team grabs 9 NHL players every 3 years. 2 of them as top 6/top 4 and 7 bottom of the lineup players. There is a big dichotomy in career length for top 6/top 4 and bottom of the lineup players (~15 years vs ~5 years). Huge turnover at the bottom of the lineup. No team hits the ideal, the compensation is in unsigned players like Matt Read, etc.

In recent drafting, DW has been far below par. There was a point at which the Sharks were #2 in drafting from the 2nd round onwards. Not anymore (since 2003). The Sharks are also behind the eight ball in drafting top 3/top pairing. At this point in their history, they should have about 4 of those. They have Marleau with Couture and Michalek as marginal for that rating. On the defensive side, Ehrhoff is their claim to fame with honorable mention to Rathje and Hannan, none of whom are solidly top pairing.

 

[Kitten Mittons]

The Sharks are also behind the eight ball in drafting top 3/top pairing. At this point in their history, they should have about 4 of those. They have Marleau with Couture and Michalek as marginal for that rating. On the defensive side, Ehrhoff is their claim to fame with honorable mention to Rathje and Hannan, none of whom are solidly top pairing.

How are you supposed to draft top-3/top pairing with high 1st rounders all the time?

 

[Led Zappa]

You have to compare to what other teams do. You can't just look at your own team. Ideally, a team grabs 9 NHL players every 3 years. 2 of them as top 6/top 4 and 7 bottom of the lineup players. There is a big dichotomy in career length for top 6/top 4 and bottom of the lineup players (~15 years vs ~5 years). Huge turnover at the bottom of the lineup. No team hits the ideal, the compensation is in unsigned players like Matt Read, etc.

In recent drafting, DW has been far below par. There was a point at which the Sharks were #2 in drafting from the 2nd round onwards. Not anymore (since 2003). The Sharks are also behind the eight ball in drafting top 3/top pairing. At this point in their history, they should have about 4 of those. They have Marleau with Couture and Michalek as marginal for that rating. On the defensive side, Ehrhoff is their claim to fame with honorable mention to Rathje and Hannan, none of whom are solidly top pairing.

And this doesn't account for their place in the draft etc...

How are your golden boys Detroit doing this year?

 

[Predarat]

wow hahah you all ripped them off, well done!

 

[Led Zappa]

Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch 2m

Michal Handzus had the choice four teams _ including the Winnipeg Jets when he made his decision to go to Chicago. #TRADTRACKER

 

[Barrie22]

And this doesn't account for their place in the draft etc...

How are your golden boys Detroit doing this year?

probably the same boat as the sharks are, it would be nice to pick in the top 10 20 years ago and just stop reaping the awards of it this year.

 

[Negatively Positive]

Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch 2m

Michal Handzus had the choice four teams _ including the Winnipeg Jets when he made his decision to go to Chicago. #TRADTRACKER

Is Garrioch and Eklund right about anything? Should you guys even post anything those guys say?