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Confirmed with Link: Michael Rasmussen signs three year extension
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OgeeOgelthorpe
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HisNoodliness
Safe is death
Presumably you meant sandpaper as in physicality.
This is honestly my biggest problem with Ras. I really don't think that's true. Seider clearly and easily brings a lot more. I don't think you can really argue the point.
Ras has games where he's very physical. One in five games, he's the most physical player on the team. The rest of the time he is Charmin Ultra Soft and that really annoys me. Kasper, Raymond, Larkin, Edvinsson, Petry, Chiarot, Holl, Fischer, Veleno and Motte all bring a more consistent energy level to every game and generally that means being more physically involved. Maybe they're not hitting as much, but they're racing into the corners, fighting for possession and coming away with the puck so much more. They're fighting for space in front of the net so much more. Even Debrincat brings a more active physicality to most games.
Watching some 5'11 dude go into the corner with Ras, shoulder him in the chest, and then easily skate away with the puck is so frustrating and that's how it normally goes. He can be so good in the corners because of his size. His deer in the headlights attitude makes him generally ineffective in puck battles though. It's really only when the other team engages in outright barbarism and Ras becomes engaged that he's effective in physical battles. That happens in like 1/5 games.
He should be Tom Wilson. Instead he's Anthony Mantha without shooting ability.
sepster
Gerard Gallant is my Spirit Animal
I know for a fact that past coaching staffs had tried to get Rassmussen to be a physically intimidating player to play against. He won't do it. It's a mentality that he just doesn't have.
Now, as I said a couple of days ago, I'm hoping that McLellan, an experienced coach who has employed physical players throughout his coaching career, might finally be able to coax that type of game out of him. The first two games under McLellan, Rassmussen did play with some gravel in his guts. The last three, he's been virtually invisible.
Maybe after several games of little-to-no ice time the two have a heart-to-heart and McLellan tells him, "I need you to be a mean S.O.B. on the ice or you are f***ing useless to me." Either that, or healthy scratch Rassmussen and play Fischer for a bit. It would make little difference on the 4th line between the two of them.
Now, as I said a couple of days ago, I'm hoping that McLellan, an experienced coach who has employed physical players throughout his coaching career, might finally be able to coax that type of game out of him. The first two games under McLellan, Rassmussen did play with some gravel in his guts. The last three, he's been virtually invisible.
Maybe after several games of little-to-no ice time the two have a heart-to-heart and McLellan tells him, "I need you to be a mean S.O.B. on the ice or you are f***ing useless to me." Either that, or healthy scratch Rassmussen and play Fischer for a bit. It would make little difference on the 4th line between the two of them.
SirloinUB
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Admittedly, while I said roster, I was thinking "forwards on the roster". My bad for not being specific.
Puck battles is a disappointingly weak part of his game especially for his size. Obviously he has a high center of gravity which doesn't help. Sometimes I wonder if he has twigs for legs haha. He also doesn't have the skill to allow him to finesse his way through puck battles.
If he can figure out how to impose his will in puck battles I think he can be an excellent complimentary piece.
Still, he is always among the leaders in hits and is good for 15ish goals from the bottom 6 while primarily playing in defensive roles. He also has some "f*** you" in his game and I think our team lacks that at times.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Rasmussen/Compher/Lombardi/Holl/2026 1st (top 5 protected) for Cozens/Samuelsson
Winger98
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He's never going to be. That's just not him.
I don't see him shying away from contact, though. Especially since McLellan took over, I see Ras trying to play a more physical game a lot. But I also see a guy who isn't that great at it. His timing is a bit off, his read of the play and where he needs to be is a second slow. And when he does get in on it, he doesn't use his size well. He get out leveraged all of the time.
In GR, skating on a line with Austin Watson seems to have unlocked a consistently more physical aspect of Soderblom's game, and I wonder if Ras wouldn't be helped by something similar. If we could get a bigger guy line up with Ras, or maybe just someone he can work with in the off-season, that knows how to leverage that size of frame...I don't know.
I do not see a lack of willingness on Ras's part, though. I see a lack of ability to do it well.
SoupGuru
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Rasmussen's instinct is to use his reach rather than his size, if you know what I mean. He reaches for pucks, he reaches to defend, he reaches for contact, he reaches for everything. Considering how lanky he is, that means he's always being out-leveraged. He could push people off the puck if he used his body/core. He could keep pucks if he used his core as a shield. But he's always using his arms instead of his body.
OldnotDeadWings
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You'll see Ras use his body and reach when he does come off he boards with the puck and often do something good with it, even if it's a safe pass back to the point. He's even made good more difficult passes to guys in closer shooting position. He just doesn't win a lot of those board battles. IMO it's not just leverage, it's bad hands. Even in his own end he often has trouble controllling passes around the boards without a bobble, the extra second or two making the next puck decision harder. His poor balance and bad hands eliiminate him from extended time as PP net front. Hard to tip shots when being pushed around, hard for him to do anything with loose pucks around the crease..
Ras doesn''t have it in him to be an intimidating player. He thinks of his size as something that can get him penalized unless he's careful. He's not a fighter willing to push the limits to provoke a response. To his crredit he works hard and Todd is using him in the right role for that work rate..
Ras doesn''t have it in him to be an intimidating player. He thinks of his size as something that can get him penalized unless he's careful. He's not a fighter willing to push the limits to provoke a response. To his crredit he works hard and Todd is using him in the right role for that work rate..
Game suspension
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Had his shot and then some. Trade him while ya can.
heyfolks
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Ain't no way, no how, not even a little bit will I let this one slide. Debrincat brings more physical play than this guy. He is no where near Chiarot, let alone Seider. Simon is still learning the game at the NHL and is more physical. JV Joe is more physical.
Rasmussen is a more defensively responsible version of Mantha.
Please do not take this me wanting Cozens. He has a yacht anchor contract and a 23' bayliner game.
dalem177
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SirloinUB
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Hate to burst your bubble but Rasmussen is definitively one of the most physical players this team has had in years.
Over the last 3 season Ras is 9th on the team in hits/60 and that includes a couple guys above him like Watson, Givani Smith and Zach Aston Reese who played less than 4 games or Kostin/Hagg who only played 30ish games for this team.
If you put a games played filter of 60 games over that same time period, So guys who have been around most of a season, he ranks 3rd behind Erne and Fischer and ahead of Seider and Chairot.
Raw totals, Yea Seider and Chairot have more total hits but they also play twice as many minutes.
Fischer and Kasper are the only players on the roster that dish out more hits/minute played than big Ras.
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heyfolks
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1) You don't hate to burst my bubble.
2) My bubble is impervious to such insults, or most anything. I am famously callous.
Seider has 30 more hits than Ras this season.
Detroit Redwings Hit Leaders | StatMuse
Moritz Seider has made the most hits for the Red Wings this season, with 99 hits.
Rasmussen's biggest/most memorable hit is when Hughes ran into him.
Go ahead post Rasmussen's biggest hits. I couldn't find any. He used his body in his contract year. It worked, he got the deal and he has been soft as a marshmallow since then.
Cozens - I see him as I do Ras in the sense they both had career years in their contract year. 7.1 per for Cozens is too steep for me. Yet, if the Wings think he can hold down the 2nd line center spot, give the Kasper and a salary dump (Copp, Compher or Tarasenko).
JediOrderPizza
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I'm still in awe that the Devils dressed a goon for Rasmuffin of all people.
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This is the first year we have even seen it attempted on the PP, so I think we as an organization are mostly to blame for that in all honesty.
SirloinUB
Registered User
1) You don't hate to burst my bubble.
2) My bubble is impervious to such insults, or most anything. I am famously callous.
Seider has 30 more hits than Ras this season.
Detroit Redwings Hit Leaders | StatMuse
Moritz Seider has made the most hits for the Red Wings this season, with 99 hits.www.statmuse.com
Rasmussen's biggest/most memorable hit is when Hughes ran into him.
Go ahead post Rasmussen's biggest hits. I couldn't find any. He used his body in his contract year. It worked, he got the deal and he has been soft as a marshmallow since then.
Cozens - I see him as I do Ras in the sense they both had career years in their contract year. 7.1 per for Cozens is too steep for me. Yet, if the Wings think he can hold down the 2nd line center spot, give the Kasper and a salary dump (Copp, Compher or Tarasenko).
Seider has 30 more hits while being on the ice twice as much (500 more minutes).
When you normalize the Icetime Rasmussen hits more than seider per minute played.
Seider throws 5.93 hits/60 minutes played.
Rasmussen throws 8.02 hits/60 minutes played.
It's a stat that doesn't differentiate. All hits are not created equal. Sure Ras bumps guys against the boards then loses a puck battle, which is technically a hit, but that doesn't make him one of the more physical players on the team.
heyfolks
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As I said, post any highlight reel of this guy's hits. Forget the season, make it his entire career. Go back to AAA. You won't convince me and, if you took a poll, not 10% of the people on this site that he is a physical player.
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sepster
Gerard Gallant is my Spirit Animal
Rasmussen rarely throws effective (i.e. separating a player from a puck, knocking a guy out of a play, hitting to intimidate) hits. There is not a player in the league that goes into the corners or along the boards and looks over his shoulder wondering if Michael "Resting Bitchface" Rasmussen is going to ruin his day.
Rasmussen's physicality is about as important and effective to the Wings as Riley Sheahan's was. And if he's not careful, that's the Wings' alumni whose career trajectory he is most likely trending towards.
Also, to say he's been one of the most consistently physical players over the past few years works to illustrate Charmin-soft the lineup has been for OVER A DECADE rather than how physical Rasmussen is.
SirloinUB
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Completely valid to call the rest of the team even softer. But the FACT is Rasmussen throws more hits (relative to icetime) than anyone not named Fischer.
Trying to compare videos clips of a star fan favourite player vs a bottom 6er is a pretty disingenuous approach. Who the hell is spending their time compiling and uploading videos of Rasmussen?
I'm sorry reality doesn't align to your feelings but the data says, he hits more than anyone else (especially relative to ice time). Its a verifiable fact.
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