Proposal: Michael Hage, 16th & 17th for Caleb Desnoyers

[BenchBrawl]

I want the opinion of neutral fans. I've been roasted for proposing this on the Montreal board, so I wonder what you guys think.

Do you think the value is reasonable for both sides? Forget any Montreal factor, just purely in value.

Thanks!

 

[Habsfunk]

I definitely wouldn't do this from a Montreal perspective. I would trade two of those three pieces to get Desnoyers, but not all three.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I definitely wouldn't do this from a Montreal perspective. I would trade two of those three pieces to get Desnoyers, but not all three.

I was asking for the opinion of neutral fans. You are not.

 

[Stealth JD]

seems like a slight overpayment; a pick from 25-40 should be coming back to MTL

 

[BenchBrawl]

seems like a slight overpayment; a pick from 25-40 should be coming back to MTL

Thanks!

 

[EveryDay]

I want the opinion of neutral fans. I've been roasted for proposing this on the Montreal board, so I wonder what you guys think.

Do you think the value is reasonable for both sides? Forget any Montreal factor, just purely in value.

Thanks!

To be fair you were roasted because your initial offer was also including Reinbacher on top of Hage + 2 x 1st 2025.

 

[BenchBrawl]

To be fair you were roasted because your initial offer was also included Reinbacher on top of Hage + 2 x 1st 2025.

Don't pollute the thread with irrelevant information, all I want to know is what neutral fans think. I was roasted for both proposals.

 

[Gliff]

It isn't a value issue. I could trade enough assets to make any trade seem like good value. That doesn't make it a good trade for the team.

If you had a top 5 pick would you trade down for that? I doubt it. I personally wouldn't.

 

[Captain Mountain]

It isn't a value issue. I could trade enough assets to make any trade seem like good value.

If you had a top 5 pick would you trade down for that? I doubt it. I personally wouldn't.

Do people really think Desnoyers is a top-5 pick?

 

[BenchBrawl]

It isn't a value issue. I could trade enough assets to make any trade seem like good value.

If you had a top 5 pick would you trade down for that? I doubt it. I personally wouldn't.

Thanks!

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think anyone in the top-5 would trade down for that package, which is basically what you have to do because Philly is 100% taking Desnoyers at 6 if he lasts to that spot.

I think the top-10 is looking something like:

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. San Jose: Misa
3. Chicago: Frondell
4. Utah: Martone
5. Nashville: Hagens
6. Philly: Desnoyers
7. Boston: O'Brien
8. Seattle: Martin
9. Buffalo: Mrtka
10. Anaheim: McQueen

So to get Desnoyers, you need to trade up to #5 or higher and I don't really see anyone in the top-5 moving down for that.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I don't think anyone in the top-5 would trade down for that package, which is basically what you have to do because Philly is 100% taking Desnoyers at 6 if he lasts to that spot.

OK but ignoring the realities of specific teams and the draft order, what do you think of the value in the abstract?

 

[SI90]

Desnoyers is a terrific prospect but that’s too much to give up for him. Hage can easily become the better. Then you throw in the 2 middle first rounders and it’s not a great deal.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I definitely wouldn't do this from a Montreal perspective. I would trade two of those three pieces to get Desnoyers, but not all three.

I agree, Hage is a former first rounder who looked real good in his first year at Uni. Desnoyers maybe French but that should not be factored into what his worth is. He can go anywhere from 5 to 10 at this point in time. Montreal COULD get a lot more for the package than Desnoyers

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[BenchBrawl]

Desnoyers is a terrific prospect but that’s too much to give up for him. Hage can easily become the better. Then you throw in the 2 middle first rounders and it’s not a great deal.

Thanks!

 

[BenchBrawl]

I agree, Hage is a former first rounder who looked real good in his first year at Uni. Desnoyers maybe French but that should not be factored into what his worth is. He can go anywhere from 5 to 10 at this point in time. Montreal COULD get a lot more for the package than Desnoyers

BTW
Ranked #8 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #9 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #6 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #7 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #22 by THN/FERRARI
Ranked #7 by THN/KENNEDY
Ranked #6 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #5 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #5 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #7 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #7 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by SPORTSNET/COSENTINO
Ranked #5 by SPORTSNET/BUKALA
Ranked #6 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #8 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #14 by SMAHT SCOUTING

Are you a Montreal fan?

 

[Empoleon8771]

OK but ignoring the realities of specific teams and the draft order, what do you think of the value in the abstract?

The value in its abstract really doesn't matter if no team would make that move, IMO.

You can argue it's an overpayment by Montreal but I also don't think anyone in the top-5 would take it to give Montreal Desnoyers.

 

[Baksfamous112]

It isn't a value issue. I could trade enough assets to make any trade seem like good value.

If you had a top 5 pick would you trade down for that? I doubt it. I personally wouldn't.

If I held #5 this would be a very tempting offer. The value going the other way is just insane.

The closes comp I could remember on the top of my head is Nashville offering Askarov, #15 and #21 for #5, which Montreal turned down. I do think it had a lot to do with Askarov not being worthwhile as the main piece for Montreal if a similar C prospect as Hage would have been offered Montreal might have done that deal.

 

[BenchBrawl]

If I held #5 this would be a very tempting offer. The value going the other way is just insane.

The closes comp I could remember on the top of my head is Nashville offering Askarov, #15 and #21 for #5, which Montreal turned down. I do think it had a lot to do with Askarov not being worthwhile as the main piece for Montreal if a similar C prospect as Hage would have been offered Montreal might have done that deal.

Thanks!

 

[BronxBruin]

I'd probably do that as a Bruins fan if Desnoyers fell to #7. Hage would immediately become their top prospect and they'd get two swings in the middle of the first (who would probably become their second and third best prospects).

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'd probably do that as a Bruins fan if Desnoyers fell to #7. Hage would immediately become their top prospect and they'd get two swings in the middle of the first (who would probably become their second and third best prospects).

Thanks!

 

[Gliff]

Do people really think Desnoyers is a top-5 pick?

I think if you forsure want him you need a top 5 pick. I have him at 5 personally.

I think this also depends on the team. The Ducks are coming out of a rebuild and have a ton of prospects. We don't need more mid 1sts. We need a last shot at a top of the lineup player.

A team just starting to bottom out might be more willing.

 

[frontsfan67]

I definitely wouldn't do this from a Montreal perspective. I would trade two of those three pieces to get Desnoyers, but not all three.

Agree with this and I don’t care for Habs

 

[BenchBrawl]

Agree with this and I don’t care for Habs

Thanks!

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think if you forsure want him you need a top 5 pick. I have him at 5 personally.

I think this also depends on the team. The Ducks are coming out of a rebuild and have a ton of prospects. We don't need more mid 1sts. We need a last shot at a top of the lineup player.

A team just starting to bottom out might be more willing.

Yeah I think this is more of the issue than anything. Philly has like 7 picks in the top-45 this year, why would they trade down from 6 to get 2 more?

In the top-6, I don't think any of the top-3 trade down for that value, while Utah and Philly don't need more picks. That leaves Nashville at #5, but if Hagens slips to #5, I don't think there's any chance that they pass on him. I don't think Desnoyers lasts beyond pick #6.