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To me, it's about maximizing the value of MDZ as an asset. Right now, Staal remains a question mark, and, while Moore has been very impressive, it has been a small sample size. If you're telling me that next year at this time, Staal has been healthy and returned to form, Moore is close to what he's advertised to be, and McIlrath has made a successful transition into the lineup, then, yes, I would hope the Rangers have maximized the trade value of Del Zotto. But, that's a lot to ask at this moment.
 
jas said:
To me, it's about maximizing the value of MDZ as an asset. Right now, Staal remains a question mark, and, while Moore has been very impressive, it has been a small sample size. If you're telling me that next year at this time, Staal has been healthy and returned to form, Moore is close to what he's advertised to be, and McIlrath has made a successful transition into the lineup, then, yes, I would hope the Rangers have maximized the trade value of Del Zotto. But, that's a lot to ask at this moment.
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I guess my main thing is the same as the above. He should be very far from untouchable. McDonagh? Absolutely. Girardi should be re-signed. Staal should be if he will accept it this off-season. If not, he is the one to be moved.
 
These guys are so young, Jesus.

I would trade Girardi before MDZ. MDZ is the kind of player whod go to Boston and be a Norris finalist.

He was drafted 5 years ago but has 4 yrs experience with playoffs to boot. All this exposure and he's not close to his peak.

Patience.
 
Staal is a major question mark. The vision in the right eye is blurry. There's no guarantee the vision will be clear. Staal will need to learn how to play with the issue if it doesn't clear up. He had trouble with eye last week. Then he played one game. Then he took himself out of the lineup. It will be a summer of the unknown with Staal. He won't say anything. The Rangers won't say anything.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
He had zero issue with sending MDZ down to Hartford a couple seasons ago. Hes had zero issue with cutting his minutes as hes struggled these first few games of the playoffs. I think you're making the special treatment stuff up.
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When he was ass skating on the Caps first goal after he flopped in the first and took a tripping penalty was it him I saw on the bench or Eminger?

He was sent down because he was God awful...he lost the Devils series last year and he will lose another for us this year.

Sad part is...I like him but I would have still taken John Carlson over him in the draft.
 
GWOW said:
These guys are so young, Jesus.

I would trade Girardi before MDZ. MDZ is the kind of player whod go to Boston and be a Norris finalist.

He was drafted 5 years ago but has 4 yrs experience with playoffs to boot. All this exposure and he's not close to his peak.

Patience.
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Sorry but I just don't see it. He doesn't skate, shoot or play defense well enough for this to happen.
 
Fitzy said:
I think his peak is about a Visnovsky level defenseman.
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Not very comparable to me. Visnovsky has elite vision and can walk the line on the PP. He is also a crazy fast skater, even to this day. I guess a comparable to MDZ would be Dennis Wideman.
 
GWOW said:
These guys are so young, Jesus.

I would trade Girardi before MDZ. MDZ is the kind of player whod go to Boston and be a Norris finalist.

He was drafted 5 years ago but has 4 yrs experience with playoffs to boot. All this exposure and he's not close to his peak.

Patience.
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MDZ will never be a Norris finalist.

Way to many holes in his game that have not been addressed in his four NHL seasons.

still to slow.

Cannot rush the puck

make sawful decisions at the point on the PP

has a real hard time gettign his shot on net

while calm with the puck in his own zone, he's often times over confident and gets pressued into losing it.

not nearly as physical as he should be (and he has made good strides addressing that)

Regarding that last part, that seems to be a teamwide issue as they are more apt to poke-check the opposition than take the body. The Rangers play a pretty timid game in their own zone and it maddening.

If we could get a Simmonds for him, I do that in a heartbeat. The Flyers need an offensive defenceman, we need a gritty winger for the top 6. It's a good fit.

prefer to send him out west, but I'm not seeing a team that has what we are looking for while having the need that MDZ would address.
 
Orr Nightmare said:
McILrath will be on the team next year and he will destroy people.

Torts holds almost of his players accountable except MDZ, I don't know why...but he does.
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Torts needs Del Zotto to play well to get out of this series. MDZ is an important puck moving defenseman and with Staal out he becomes even more important but he's not playing that well. He can't really afford to bench him unless he's really ******** the bed and he's not been that bad--that's why he stays in.

If anything if there is a player Torts is not holding accountable it's Richards but as long as Brassard keeps on doing what he's doing and Stepan plunks in a goal or helps on one now and again our offense should be passable.
 
GWOW said:
These guys are so young, Jesus.

I would trade Girardi before MDZ. MDZ is the kind of player whod go to Boston and be a Norris finalist.

He was drafted 5 years ago but has 4 yrs experience with playoffs to boot. All this exposure and he's not close to his peak.

Patience.
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eh no....I would hate to see Girardi go. Our defense is lopsided if anything on the left side--not on the right and you'd move the guy that plays the most minutes?

Del Zotto is not only no Zubov--he definitely is no Leetch--this idea that he'll someday be a Norris trophy winner---really? Think in terms of Erik Karlsson or Drew Doughty for two. This Hamilton guy playing for Boston--maybe someone like him. Pietrangelo. When I think of a player Del Zotto could turn into I think of guys like Kimmo Timonen.
 
pld459666 said:
MDZ

not nearly as physical as he should be (and he has made good strides addressing that)

Regarding that last part, that seems to be a teamwide issue as they are more apt to poke-check the opposition than take the body. The Rangers play a pretty timid game in their own zone and it maddening.

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MDZ aside, this is a team thing that is absolutely infuriating.
 
The Rangers D.

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The Rangers need more toughness on D. Physical play. Size. The Rangers selected McIlrath for a reason.
 
Orr Nightmare said:
McILrath will be on the team next year and he will destroy people.

Torts holds almost of his players accountable except MDZ, I don't know why...but he does.
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Not sure if serious here

You are talking about the same Torts who banished MDZ to the minors for a season?
 
pld459666 said:
MDZ will never be a Norris finalist.

Way to many holes in his game that have not been addressed in his four NHL seasons.

still to slow.

Cannot rush the puck

make sawful decisions at the point on the PP

has a real hard time gettign his shot on net

while calm with the puck in his own zone, he's often times over confident and gets pressued into losing it.

not nearly as physical as he should be (and he has made good strides addressing that)

Regarding that last part, that seems to be a teamwide issue as they are more apt to poke-check the opposition than take the body. The Rangers play a pretty timid game in their own zone and it maddening.If we could get a Simmonds for him, I do that in a heartbeat. The Flyers need an offensive defenceman, we need a gritty winger for the top 6. It's a good fit.

prefer to send him out west, but I'm not seeing a team that has what we are looking for while having the need that MDZ would address.
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Been saying this for a while now and it drives me crazy, but you can't play a collapsing system and throw a lot of checks...
 
NYR Boyler87 said:
I would rather have a power forward like Simmonds or someone like that and have the d I proposed. You were just looking at the defense without looking at the return.



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Considering both Moore, MDZ, McDonagh, Girardi and Stralman have played top-4 minutes in the playoffs and with Staal having an entire off-season to heal and rest he should be back.
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You're still missing the point. If we trade DZ and have ONE injury in our top 4 (which is not unreasonable at all considering our D are always getting hurt), we would have two players like Eminger or Hamrlik playing 5 minutes a game in the playoffs. As if one wasn't bad enough.

It's not the top 4 minutes I'm worried about. It's the bottom pairing. We all saw last year how important it was to have two good bottom pairin guys to not burn our top 4 out. Rather than trading our biggest strength away why don't we keep it and roll 6 studs. The cap is not a concern yet. We will cross that road when we reach it.
 
Some thoughts:

1)The Rangers aren't dumping DZ. As of this moment they have MCD,

Girardi, and Strahls to count on. Maybe Stahl comes back in top shape? Maybe Moore upgrades? Maybe the minors ads a piece or two? At the moment, only 3 D to count on.

With that said, they will evaluate who's available in the summer and decide the best way to go. The inconsistency in MDZ's game is simply giving the Rangers an excuse to listen to offers rather than cutting off the conversation with "he's not available".

2)Yes MDZ is only 23.

What kind of player was Stahl at 23? Girardi? Mcdonagh?

They fit right in with fewer problems. If MDZ became a DG, MS, or RM It would be enough. In the meantime we're 4 years into the experiment and he is not a Brian Leatch. Is 23, with 4 years of pro experience young? Maybe? maybe not?

3)Zubov was a one dimensional player. He was pure offense. He had 12 goals and 77 assists on the championship team. If you could live with his defense he was your puck moving, great shot special teams specialist. He was a major contributor to the Rangers championship team at the age of 23.
 
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