Melvin's 2021-22 NHL Team Projections

But yeah, the first page is a great read, except for the fact that all those people who were screaming about the Canucks projection and were dead wrong are just making more excuses this year and won't learn a thing from it. I at least will try to learn from the stuff I got wrong.
It seems like any predictive ability almost gets thrown into a blender by the impact of injures and young star breakouts / stagnations. I just did a basic "potato" comparison of just assuming teams finish in the exact same spot they did in 2021 and it seemed about as accurate in its predictive capability. Simply taking last season and assuming a repeat of 2021 was off by 5.35 spots while this model's predictions were off by 7.35 (which improves slightly to 6.7 if I remove Seattle from the equation which was the least accurate). Just for fun I even took the previous seasons rankings and shifted teams up/down by + to -12 spots randomly and got a similar distribution (off by ~6.3 spots average). I did the same with goal differential and got similar results, but don't know if extrapolating current per game goal differential over the full season is right since the numbers seemed wild (or we're on pace to have two teams with -100+ goal differential :laugh:).

That said - I imagine at the start of the season it's probably... relatively accurate? It's just stuff like Kaprizov, Husso + healthy Tarasenko, Teravainen, Barzal's slump, Whatever's going on in Chicago / New Jersey - the impact of those things are basically unknowable at the beginning of the season that makes it pretty random.

Anyways, 2c from the peanut gallery.
 
It seems like any predictive ability almost gets thrown into a blender by the impact of injures and young star breakouts / stagnations. I just did a basic "potato" comparison of just assuming teams finish in the exact same spot they did in 2021 and it seemed about as accurate in its predictive capability. Simply taking last season and assuming a repeat of 2021 was off by 5.35 spots while this model's predictions were off by 7.35 (which improves slightly to 6.7 if I remove Seattle from the equation which was the least accurate). Just for fun I even took the previous seasons rankings and shifted teams up/down by + to -12 spots randomly and got a similar distribution (off by ~6.3 spots average). I did the same with goal differential and got similar results, but don't know if extrapolating current per game goal differential over the full season is right since the numbers seemed wild (or we're on pace to have two teams with -100+ goal differential :laugh:).

That said - I imagine at the start of the season it's probably... relatively accurate? It's just stuff like Kaprizov, Husso + healthy Tarasenko, Teravainen, Barzal's slump, Whatever's going on in Chicago / New Jersey - the impact of those things are basically unknowable at the beginning of the season that makes it pretty random.

Anyways, 2c from the peanut gallery.

out of curiosity, did you use the last projections that I posted right before the season started?

“Spots” is not a great metric for this for various reasons and it’s not really what I’m going for. It’s really about the complements for me.

Understanding which components are projectable and seeing if I get the gist right in terms of what a teams strengths and weaknesses are, and then understanding what went wrong. That’s what’s most interesting to me.

as I posted before, If I was correct about seattles ranking but had all the components wrong i wouldn’t consider that a win.

but yes, obviously injuries happen and there are trades not to mention COVID this year and the islanders bizarre arena situation, lots of things will just always be unknowable.

When you do an exercise like this, you’re running the season 10,000 times and taking an average. You’ll have simulations where the Canucks got 50 points and finished in last, and you’ll have simulations where the Canucks had 130 points and ran away with the presidents trophy. But you’re just taking an average, what’s the most likely result?

in the real World of course we don’t run the season 10,000 times and take an average, so what we get is what we get. That’s why I say, even if the model is 100% perfect, it’s still not going to nail every teams ranking. Because the average result is not what we get. We get one of the 10,000 results. That’s why they play the games.

that said, with something like Seattle, I don’t think I had a single simulation where they were this bad. So that’s interesting in and of itself. And I have an idea of how to address that going forward.
 
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out of curiosity, did you use the last projections that I posted right before the season started?

“Spots” is not a great metric for this for various reasons and it’s not really what I’m going for. It’s really about the complements for me.

Understanding which components are projectable and seeing if I get the gist right in terms of what a teams strengths and weaknesses are, and then understanding what went wrong. That’s what’s most interesting to me.

as I posted before, If I was correct about seattles ranking but had all the components wrong i wouldn’t consider that a win.

but yes, obviously injuries happen and there are trades not to mention COVID this year and the islanders bizarre arena situation, lots of things will just always be unknowable.

When you do an exercise like this, you’re running the season 10,000 times and taking an average. You’ll have simulations where the Canucks got 50 points and finished in last, and you’ll have simulations where the Canucks had 130 points and ran away with the presidents trophy. But you’re just taking an average, what’s the most likely result?

in the real World of course we don’t run the season 10,000 times and take an average, so what we get is what we get. That’s why I say, even if the model is 100% perfect, it’s still not going to nail every teams ranking. Because the average result is not what we get. We get one of the 10,000 results. That’s why they play the games.

that said, with something like Seattle, I don’t think I had a single simulation where they were this bad. So that’s interesting in and of itself. And I have an idea of how to address that going forward.
Yeah, I think I used the most recent projection - it was post 202 in this thread? Top 5 of Vegas, Colorado, Toronto, Seattle, Tampa Bay? I'd also 100% agree that simply using "spots" is a pretty bad metric, but it was a metric multiple people/posts kept coming back to with this model had the Canucks placing 22nd and the Kraken placing 4th, so I wanted to see how much validity it had in regards to that. In other words, I was bored at work, google sheets was open and .. well yeah - shit happens. I wasn't casting shade - I just thought it was interesting that that the predictive ability for a season was actually less accurate than literally adding or subtracting an arbitrary 10 points / spots from the previous season at random, which is a pretty Jim Benning way of predicting a season :laugh:.

Obviously something's missing, no?

I wonder if you might be trying to force a model with stats and weightings that might "make sense" where using machine learning to figure out impact of specific data might actually help to quantify just how much, like, losing more faceoffs per season has in regards to predictive capability. I've read articles talking about how faceoffs don't really matter, but.. do they? I had read an article about something like that earlier that I felt was pretty interesting using scraped nhl data and a random forest decision tree model to predict NHL seasons. Fun stuff - I should really brush up on my coding ability.
Source.
 
I don't care if it's a 'projection', a 'prediction' , 'tea leaves analytics', 'puck telepathy' or 'blueline tarot readings'--Anyone taking stock of that Kraken roster in the pre-season and even hinting at a playoff spot in the West, needs to take a break from hockey for awhile. Maybe try the John Madden NFL game on X-box or the FIFA World Cup game on E.A. Sports.
How about them Kraken?
 
Funny to see Seattle, Carolina, etc, performing well in the playoffs, Vegas/Colorado getting the top two spots in the West, etc.

A lot of the people that were shitting on these predictions are (predictably) silent.

Looks like the anomalies were LA, Jersey and Boston having the season they did. Plus a few others (like Florida.)

I think that the lack of data for younger teams (eg, LA/Florida) compared to established teams where there's a lot of data (eg, Pittsburgh) is reflected here. Also, accounting for 'gelling' (Tkachuk, for example, has been gangbusters for Florida.)

But of course, since you didn't 100% nail everything with perfect accuracy, the mouthbreathers will just view it as trash.
 
Funny to see Seattle, Carolina, etc, performing well in the playoffs, Vegas/Colorado getting the top two spots in the West, etc.

A lot of the people that were shitting on these predictions are (predictably) silent.

Looks like the anomalies were LA, Jersey and Boston having the season they did. Plus a few others (like Florida.)

I think that the lack of data for younger teams (eg, LA/Florida) compared to established teams where there's a lot of data (eg, Pittsburgh) is reflected here. Also, accounting for 'gelling' (Tkachuk, for example, has been gangbusters for Florida.)

But of course, since you didn't 100% nail everything with perfect accuracy, the mouthbreathers will just view it as trash.
To be fair, this thread was from before last season, not this season. That said, VanJack’s posts mocking an algorithm aged like milk lol.
 
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To be fair, this thread was from before last season, not this season. That said, VanJack’s posts mocking an algorithm aged like milk lol.

But.. did it?

I hate this new thing where you can predict something correctly like the Kraken being bad last year but then it gets explained away as just "bad luck" or "bad goaltending" so it's suddenly invalid. No, you were still right. And the team being good the following year doesn't change that.
 

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