Meltzer: WrestleMania Plans Aborted, WWE Will Scramble For New Ideas

[Kimi]

Actually he left when his contract was up in 1994 and they just didn't renegotiate a new one. He left on fairly good terms if I'm not mistaken.

Kinda. He wasn't banished then, it was later when Vince found out about him and Stephanie.

 

[Engebretson]

Kinda. He wasn't banished then, it was later when Vince found out about him and Stephanie.

That's an Internet Urban Legend until proven otherwise.

The more likely explanation is that Savage was notorious for holding a grudge and held that grudge after the WWE ripped him for being too old after he had left for WCW. He took the whole "Nacho Man and the Huckster" thing personally and held Vince responsible.

I'd wager Vince would have welcomed him back, regardless of what Macho had done to him, if it would have made him money.

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

He's already said it doesn't bother him anymore and he doesn't care. He's moved on.

And everyone always tells the truth

 

[Loosie]

That's an Internet Urban Legend until proven otherwise.

The more likely explanation is that Savage was notorious for holding a grudge and held that grudge after the WWE ripped him for being too old after he had left for WCW. He took the whole "Nacho Man and the Huckster" thing personally and held Vince responsible.

I'd wager Vince would have welcomed him back, regardless of what Macho had done to him, if it would have made him money.

That's what I always understood too with the situation. I've never believed the Macho Man/Steph stories. Otherwise he would never have been in the Hall Of Fame.....ever.

 

[Emperoreddy]

That's an Internet Urban Legend until proven otherwise.

The more likely explanation is that Savage was notorious for holding a grudge and held that grudge after the WWE ripped him for being too old after he had left for WCW. He took the whole "Nacho Man and the Huckster" thing personally and held Vince responsible.

I'd wager Vince would have welcomed him back, regardless of what Macho had done to him, if it would have made him money.

Ya I take that as an urban legend too, and that Macho was really burned by the fact Vince kept him on commentary when he still wanted to wrestle. I think he even suggested jobbing to either Shawn or Bret to help them get over too.

Combine it with the Nacho Man stuff and ya I think Randy just held a super grudge. He wouldn't be the only one. Lots of the old guys can't stand Vince and stayed that way for a long time.

Vince made nice with a lot of them, but there is plenty of unflattering things said about Vince by legends.

 

[Reality Check]

While entertaining in theory, the macho man/Stephanie stuff is an urban legend.

Savage was financially set with the Slim Jim stuff as well. Which irked Vince because he could never get a slice of that.

This isn't the first time that Vince would hold a grudge. I recall the Bret Hart midget once he left for WCW and rehashing the Montreal incident several times.

Savage, however, he did take a bit more personally and I think it boiled down to money. It's also fair to say Savage was just as, if not more, stubborn.

The issue with Punk isn't Vince though. It's with HHH and Stephanie. HHH has been the one to mend all these fences as a middleman. But I still expect to see Punk back in WWE again one day. Even if it's just an appearance.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Maybe one day Vince will go to Punk's house in Chicago and they'll have a sit down where Vince will apologize for everything and Punk will be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

I have no doubt that one day, Punk will wrestle another match in professional wrestling... but I don't know if it's going to be in the WWE.

Based off Punk's last podcast with Cabana or wherever it was, Punk seems more angry about being fired on his wedding day after he told Triple H he'd talk to him as soon as he came back from his honeymoon when Triple H wanted to talk to him. Vince "apologized" on the Austin podcast and Punk just wasn't having any of it.

"I don't want to hear 'oh, it was a coincidence.' I don't want to hear 'oh, the lawyers didn't talk to talent relations.' I talked to Hunter on the 11th. On the 13th, FedEx'd overnight, I got a document that was dated the 12th. My wife asked for that time off so she could a) get married, b) go on her honeymoon. The weekend after her honeymoon, she was back on TV. You know what I mean? They knew. If the apology was sincere, you wouldn't use it as a publicity stunt on Austin's podcast. You have my phone number, you have my address, you could text, you could call, you could show up when you're a 10-minute ****ing drive from my house and apologize to me like a man."

 

[BUCKLE UP]

KO vs Lesnar wooot?

 

[bruins309]

Savage was totally notorious for holding grudges.

When Lanny Poffo was on Jericho's podcast (or maybe it was Colt Cabana's...), he said that Randy Savage to his death was still pissed off that Vince wouldn't let Angelo Poffo be in an old timers battle royal at a Meadowlands house show in November 1987. Chew on that one. My guess is Savage put that aside during his big run then when he left decided to be mad about that again.

Holding a grudge doesn't mean you have to make sense.

 

[Dr Pepper]

While entertaining in theory, the macho man/Stephanie stuff is an urban legend.

Savage was financially set with the Slim Jim stuff as well. Which irked Vince because he could never get a slice of that.

This isn't the first time that Vince would hold a grudge. I recall the Bret Hart midget once he left for WCW and rehashing the Montreal incident several times.

Savage, however, he did take a bit more personally and I think it boiled down to money. It's also fair to say Savage was just as, if not more, stubborn.

The issue with Punk isn't Vince though. It's with HHH and Stephanie. HHH has been the one to mend all these fences as a middleman. But I still expect to see Punk back in WWE again one day. Even if it's just an appearance.

He couldn't?

Macho was using his WWF-made persona to sell a product, how were they not earning off of it?

 

[Kimi]

Wasn't Savage Savage before he got to the WWE?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

He couldn't?

Macho was using his WWF-made persona to sell a product, how were they not earning off of it?

Macho Man Randy Savage was his before he came to the WWF.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Macho Man Randy Savage was his before he came to the WWF.

True but you could see where Vince would get mad as he would argue he MADE macho man a star in his company whether he was right or wrong about it (I would argue it was just Randy was so talented. He would of gotten over in any company. No one was scripting his promos and he laid out all his matches with OCD levels of detail)

 

[Pinkfloyd]

True but you could see where Vince would get mad as he would argue he MADE macho man a star in his company whether he was right or wrong about it (I would argue it was just Randy was so talented. He would of gotten over in any company. No one was scripting his promos and he laid out all his matches with OCD levels of detail)

Of course I can see where Vince would get mad. He's a businessman that has his greediness and large need for controlling everything he can. It's why it's their standard practice these days to give incoming people the gimmick the company comes up with just for money.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Of course I can see where Vince would get mad. He's a businessman that has his greediness and large need for controlling everything he can. It's why it's their standard practice these days to give incoming people the gimmick the company comes up with just for money.

Definitely. It is just sad because obviously Randy holds grudges, and Vince is ruthless and holds them too.

Sad they couldn't make up for a night when he was still alive so we as fans could of gotten the chance to celebrate him at the HOF while he was alive like we luckily got with Warrior.

I'm also a giant Macho Man mark and him not headlining last year while we got more of the kliq pissed me right off.

 

[George Binks]

Definitely. It is just sad because obviously Randy holds grudges, and Vince is ruthless and holds them too.

Sad they couldn't make up for a night when he was still alive so we as fans could of gotten the chance to celebrate him at the HOF while he was alive like we luckily got with Warrior.

I'm also a giant Macho Man mark and him not headlining last year while we got more of the kliq pissed me right off.

Well that's what the kliq has always done

 

[Allie Kitsune]

While entertaining in theory, the macho man/Stephanie stuff is an urban legend.

Savage was financially set with the Slim Jim stuff as well. Which irked Vince because he could never get a slice of that.

This isn't the first time that Vince would hold a grudge. I recall the Bret Hart midget once he left for WCW and rehashing the Montreal incident several times.

Savage, however, he did take a bit more personally and I think it boiled down to money. It's also fair to say Savage was just as, if not more, stubborn.

The issue with Punk isn't Vince though. It's with HHH and Stephanie. HHH has been the one to mend all these fences as a middleman. But I still expect to see Punk back in WWE again one day. Even if it's just an appearance.

HHH won't be the one mending fences there. It seems fairly evident that HHH and Punk can't stand each other.

 

[Morozov]

I think they'd have to come up with some pretty acrobatic bending over to get Punk to consider coming back.

He always said he would leave the business early, and while none of us presumably know him personally, it seems pretty clear that he isn't the type of guy who would go back and give anyone a reason to say I told you so or look like he caved in. I think he will stay away if for no reason other than that, he's never going to be the guy who gives in.

I hold out hope that maybe one day we see him do a ROH show or commentary there or something. I doubt it happens but much easier to picture.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I believed at the time, and to a point still do, that CM Punk left WWE because they wouldn't give him the one last thing he wanted, a headline spot at Wrestlemania. He saw Batista come back after an absence and fall into the spot. He knew that if he were to walk away, he could leverage a return sometime down the line into that coveted spot.

That said, what may have began as a hopeful silver lining to a frustrating personal situation, has probably devolved into raw bitterness, on both sides.

No one stays away from the WWE forever though. The right amount of $$$, the right spot on the card, any number of motivations will draw someone back.

CM Punk vs Triple H could headline WM 32.

If egos could be cast aside, CM Punk vs HHH would be a great way for HHH to be retired in the ring.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

That's an Internet Urban Legend until proven otherwise.

The more likely explanation is that Savage was notorious for holding a grudge and held that grudge after the WWE ripped him for being too old after he had left for WCW. He took the whole "Nacho Man and the Huckster" thing personally and held Vince responsible.

I'd wager Vince would have welcomed him back, regardless of what Macho had done to him, if it would have made him money.

I think that if the Savage/Stephanie stuff were true that Vince never would have brought in Stephanie front and center in the attitude era like he did.

 

[George Binks]

If egos could be cast aside, CM Punk vs HHH would be a great way for HHH to be retired in the ring.

It really does make a lot of sense