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[Very Stable Genius]

Lets just get one thing clear. If you trade 2 1st's and a young high potential roster player for Bobby Ryan who is a UFA in two years, you aren't rebuilding anymore so stop using that term. We have to go for it now.

 

[topshelf15]

Lets just get one thing clear. If you trade 2 1st's and a young high potential roster player for Bobby Ryan who is a UFA in two years, you aren't rebuilding anymore so stop using that term. We have to go for it now.

No we are still rebuilding and need to keep our current cap low

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Lets just get one thing clear. If you trade 2 1st's and a young high potential roster player for Bobby Ryan who is a UFA in two years, you aren't rebuilding anymore so stop using that term. We have to go for it now.

Exactly how did u arrive at this conclusion????

The Sens moved two out of 20 or more young prospects and a draft pick. Nobody can claim what Noesen is going to develop into and trading Silverberg (23 yrs old) with 48 games of NHL experience for a proven Ryan (26) is exactly what rebuilding teams do if it accelerates the rebuild and it provides something the organization clearly didn't clearly have, a proven, young, top six goal scorer with size.

This team doesn't have to go for it now, they just got younger and overall better IMO.

The Sens top six with Michalek-Spezza-Ryan and MacArthur-Turris-Conacher/Zibanejad/Hoffman is better than last season and younger.

If the team exceeds all expectation and finds itself in the top 4 in the east approaching the trade deadline, then Murray can add a player or two, but now just doesn't make sense given the youth in so many positions.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

No we are still rebuilding and need to keep our current cap low

If all you want is a cap team, why don't you join the Leafs or Rangers bandwagon?

Here's a newsflash, we were spending to the cap up to 3 years ago when we started the rebuild. ****, you make it sound like we've been a salary basement team for a couple decades.

 

[Quo]

Acquiring a 26 year old Bobby Ryan in what's supposed to be the final year of the rebuild does not make this year any less of a rebuild year in my eyes.

 

[topshelf15]

What profits exactly? For years this team lost millions, the past couple of years breakeven or a slight profit.

If you invested $130- $150M in something wouldn't you expect a return annually?

We pay the lowest average ticket prices of all Canadian NHL cities, yet expect the owner to spend to the cap when only 3 (large market) of the 7 spend close to the cap.

Yup, makes absolute sense to me.

So what are you really saying here ??We have lost millions in the last few years ,but EM after investing 100,s of millions should still expect a return .

I get it now we are only broke when its convieniant for EM ,but when anybody brings up. He may have made profits he deserves them for investing his millions .
Yep and the fans that give him this return get what another budget team

 

[Knave]

As long as we're not a cap floor team, I'm happy.

Also as for the Senators losing money - Melnyk got things besides just the Senators.

A more comparable example would be Microsoft setting up their Xbox division - it lost money for a long time. Now it's a fairly profitable division of Microsoft.

I'd say the reluctance to get to the cap is Melnyk bought into Murray's 3 year plan. The plan was accelerated by luck, good coaching, good management decisions, good development.

During the first 1-2 years of our rebuild plan Melnyk invested heavily in getting an MLS franchise and more recently this casino thing of his.

I'll start to worry if we a) become a cap floor team or b) if in 2-3 years from now Melnyk still has us on a budget.

 

[topshelf15]

If all you want is a cap team, why don't you join the Leafs or Rangers bandwagon?

Here's a newsflash, we were spending to the cap up to 3 years ago when we started the rebuild. ****, you make it sound like we've been a salary basement team for a couple decades.

Testy arent we?? I never said a cap team,but I want one that isnt forever on an internal budget .I really didnt want to hear the word "budget" when we have one of the cheapest ,youngest and best teams in the league.Especially in a year When the cap was falling and we had the assets,to be one of the teams that benifted most

 

[topshelf15]

Acquiring a 26 year old Bobby Ryan in what's supposed to be the final year of the rebuild does not make this year any less of a rebuild year in my eyes.

Yep, rebuild we will just have one more year less of great players on cheap ELC.Wonder who will be the next to leave because of "wanting to win a cup" not money reasons

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Testy arent we?? I never said a cap team,but I want one that isnt forever on an internal budget .I really didnt want to hear the word "budget" when we have one of the cheapest ,youngest and best teams in the league.Especially in a year When the cap was falling and we had the assets,to be one of the teams that benifted most

Guess what? Those cheap young guys are all coming off their first contracts in the next 1-3 years. They will need to be paid in the next few years. Bringing in high priced vets now means no cap room later for the kids who are going to be part of this team for a decade.

Do you even watch the NHL? Haven't you seen what a fubar situation it is when teams load up on ufas and mercenaries? Do you really want us to commit a lot of money to guys who have no connection or commitment to this team and city?

Look at the Rangers. They changed over a third of their roster over the course of a year...went from 1st to 6th with a more talented team! That's what happens when you go nuts trying to win it all in one year. Same with Pittsburgh.

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

Yep, rebuild we will just have one more year less of great players on cheap ELC.Wonder who will be the next to leave because of "wanting to win a cup" not money reasons

Seems like you've only been watching Senators for the past couple years, and seem to forget that we've spent to the cap when we were in actual contention. Only an idiot owner would spend more when they're rebuilding.

Spending to sign FA's isn't the solution. Almost all cup winning teams are homegrown. Look at the Rangers. Look at Pittsburgh. Look at Philly. They've spent so much money, for what? Do you want an idiot owner to spend all our money, bankrupt our team, for mediocre results and not being able to sigh our own homegrown young talent when they become FAs? Get a grip, it seems like you don't know how budgeting works in the NHL, and you seem to think that this franchise isn't a business. The Senators exist so the owner can make a profit. That's the only reason for us to have a franchise. Owner's look to make a profit. They don't "owe" us anything. They don't have to speak, they don't have to be connected. You've been spoiled with Melnyk that you think he has to come forward and be responsible for god knows what. Newsflash, the owners don't have to do ****. Just be thankful that we don't have Charles Wang.

 

[HavlatMach9]

Do you really want us to commit a lot of money to guys who have no connection or commitment to this team and city?

Actually I do. That's what Chicago did adding Hossa/Cambell to an upcoming team and their depth was unreal. It seems these days those players are unavailable with weak players like Clarkson being the prized fish.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Seems like you've only been watching Senators for the past couple years, and seem to forget that we've spent to the cap when we were in actual contention. Only an idiot owner would spend more when they're rebuilding.

No kidding. I'm amazed how quickly some people forget how dominant the Sens were for most of 2003-2009. We were Cup favorite for a solid 4-5 seasons, had the pizza line, offense galore....

I guess too many fans are spoiled and think a team can magically stay at pace perpetually.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

So what are you really saying here ??We have lost millions in the last few years ,but EM after investing 100,s of millions should still expect a return .

I get it now we are only broke when its convieniant for EM ,but when anybody brings up. He may have made profits he deserves them for investing his millions .
Yep and the fans that give him this return get what another budget team

Sorry but you aren't making any sense.

EM invested his money in a business venture, the fans pay for the entertainment value his investment provides.

Business ventures are entered with a plan to make money, oh horrors at the thought.

Over time the fans of this franchise have shown an unwillingness to pay Canadian average market prices for the product, even when the team was at or near the top of the league.

The fact EM lost money for years shows his commitment to the fans of the Sens, now that the team is rebuilding and developing young players he has set a budget that allows him to contain his losses.

How dare he not spend his money.

While you seem to have a problem comprehending any of this, I respectfully suggest you are attempting to make an issue where no real issue exists.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

As long as we're not a cap floor team, I'm happy.

Also as for the Senators losing money - Melnyk got things besides just the Senators.

A more comparable example would be Microsoft setting up their Xbox division - it lost money for a long time. Now it's a fairly profitable division of Microsoft.

I'd say the reluctance to get to the cap is Melnyk bought into Murray's 3 year plan. The plan was accelerated by luck, good coaching, good management decisions, good development.

During the first 1-2 years of our rebuild plan Melnyk invested heavily in getting an MLS franchise and more recently this casino thing of his.

I'll start to worry if we a) become a cap floor team or b) if in 2-3 years from now Melnyk still has us on a budget.

Excuse me, what are you suggesting??

Do you honestly believe that it is Melnyk's responsibility to take money from his other ventures to underwrite the losses incurred by the Sens?

FYI the SE&E aren't like Microsoft in any way shape or form.

If fans want a financially successful team, spending with the large markets the solution lies with them.

Instead of watching the games on TV, buy season tickets at the going rate of other Canadian NHL cities, otherwise be silent and be glad you have a team to cheer for.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I don't blame Melnyk one bit for what happened with Alfie

Alfie gave up on the Senators, not much you can do about that

 

[topshelf15]

Guess what? Those cheap young guys are all coming off their first contracts in the next 1-3 years. They will need to be paid in the next few years. Bringing in high priced vets now means no cap room later for the kids who are going to be part of this team for a decade.

Do you even watch the NHL? Haven't you seen what a fubar situation it is when teams load up on ufas and mercenaries? Do you really want us to commit a lot of money to guys who have no connection or commitment to this team and city?

Look at the Rangers. They changed over a third of their roster over the course of a year...went from 1st to 6th with a more talented team! That's what happens when you go nuts trying to win it all in one year. Same with Pittsburgh.

So lets rebuild one more year then, is what you are saying ??And make sure we have more cap and cash to spend on not only our kids. And also trying to fit Spezza and Ryan,s contracts under the cap.

And here I was worried about EM having money problems,he will have the cash and all the cap space we need to make this happen.70+ million should do the trick

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

I make inaccurate statements and then refuse to talk to anyone that disagrees with me.

Melnyk's "other things" are doing worse than the Senators, which is the crux of the problem.

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

So lets rebuild one more year then, is what you are saying ??And make sure we have more cap and cash to spend on not only our kids. And also trying to fit Spezza and Ryan,s contracts under the cap.

And here I was worried about EM having money problems,he will have the cash and all the cap space we need to make this happen.70+ million should do the trick

Yes, because we're in year 3 of a rebuild that was planned for 3 years?

Let me get this straight. Three years ago this organization planned for a three year rebuild. Now you're harping on them because we've been rebuilding for three years?

Gold.

 

[topshelf15]

Excuse me, what are you suggesting??

Do you honestly believe that it is Melnyk's responsibility to take money from his other ventures to underwrite the losses incurred by the Sens?

FYI the SE&E aren't like Microsoft in any way shape or form.

If fans want a financially successful team, spending with the large markets the solution lies with them.

Instead of watching the games on TV, buy season tickets at the going rate of other Canadian NHL cities, otherwise be silent and be glad you have a team to cheer for.

Spin Spin ,blame the fans again huh .How about if they stop supporting the team all together,is EM going to move it even though it makes money here ???

 

[Qward]

This crap is getting out of hand. I am shutting it down.