Meier knee Necas

[NyQuil]

It’s actually much easier to blame the guy throwing the hit and deeming it dangerous even though he lined him up for a textbook open ice hit.

This is why watching these clips in slow motion is infuriating because the game isn’t played that way.


While I agree the Haula hit was worse, the old adage of two wrongs don’t make a right applies to hockey rules as well as daycare rules.

Quite the difference in “breaks caught” by both teams. One gets a 3 minute major powerplay once the coincidental minutes are served, the other warrants no advantage either way.

Don’t get it twisted. There is no Devil fan that is arguing we were the better team last night. Allen kept us in it for the first 40 minutes. But hard not to feel like you had a chance for at least a point taken away from you when a questionable major call is given after the fact and one of your better offensive players is tossed as a result.

Lined him up and missed, yes.

A properly executed open ice hit is a thing of beauty that requires perfect timing to execute.

If Meier had pulled that off, I’d be the first to applaud.

Obviously he didn’t “line him up” if he missed the torso on torso contact.

He attempted to line him up and failed.

Open ice hit specialists are few and far between and rarer all the time because the consequences of missing are understandably high.

 

[Reality Czech]

MLS does this to try to stop players from faking...

"If a player with a suspected injury remains on the ground for more than 15 seconds, the referee will stop play and wave the medical crew onto the field to evaluate the player. When safe, the player will be removed from the field and remain off the field for a minimum of two minutes for further assessment and treatment.

Exceptions to the Off-Field Treatment Rule include instances of potential head injury, goalkeeper injuries, serious medical events, and fouls resulting in yellow or red cards"

Yeah pretty sure that's what all soccer/football leagues do and who would know faking injuries better than them?

 

[bleedgreen]

This was a pretty textbook kneeing call regardless of what you feel about intent. I’m a Canes fan and I don’t think he was trying maim Necas. Meier did have his knee in a bad spot, it looks bad to me in that light. It’s easy to think he led with his knee even if he lunged with his upper body as well. The Devils I noticed before and after try very hard to play the body on Necas.

I don’t think he faked it at all. It’s not weird to be in a lot of pain and then once you sit down and shake it off be ok. I think he came back as pissed as Necas is capable of being when he came back so he had a few spirited shifts where he was trying to make things happen. I think he’s trying to show the Devils they can’t run him and scare him off, I think some fans are taking that as rubbing it in their faces that he wasn’t hurt. That’s not Necas. He’s not a tough player by any stretch but he’s also not a faker. He’s not trying to get Meier kicked out. The first angle in the OP clearly shows his knee buckling which is not only painful - it’s terrifying. That could be your career. You don’t want to move anything. I’m sure he thought his knee was trashed when he got off the ice. Once they moved everything around and he took a breath, things got better and he was able to get back in the game. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t wearing an ice bag the rest of the night post game. He’s a hockey player, he’s going to play through what he can.

 

[onmygameboi]

I’m really curious if the Jersey feed failed to show an angle or something, because I’ve seen this take a lot, and it flabbergasts me that so many Jersey fans apparently missed the elbow to the head.

You're on to something here. Do you have a clip? It wasn't an elbow to the head from what I saw and Orlov definitely put himself in a vulnerable position.

He then jumped Haula after the skirmish had ended. I thought the Devils should have received a PP after all was said and done.

But, there was blood from Orlov's nose, so there was probably a better angle that I missed.

 

[jfhabs]

It's nothing like the Kucherov Hit. Kucherov completely went for the hit leading his entire body into the knee of Tkachuk.

Meier lined up Necas body and Necas changed direction to avoid the hit.

Yes. I think I said the same thing.

 

[IDEKWTM]

Yes. I think I said the same thing.

Hug me

 

[bleedgreen]

Necas isn’t “avoiding the hit” in that he’s ducking contact because he’s afraid or won’t be hit, if you watch Necas at all he typically does sharp cut backs and hops around players other people couldn’t avoid - all the time. Most times when he’s carrying the puck to be honest. He’s got a very high success percentage in this. He’s trying to skate around Meier and usually he makes it. The Devils were trying to force hard contact like this all game with him. This was an aggressive attempt to play hard specifically on Necas - there shouldn’t be any doubt about that. It was clearly part of the game plan from the get go to run him as much as the could. These teams don’t love each other.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Lined him up and missed, yes.

A properly executed open ice hit is a thing of beauty that requires perfect timing to execute.

If Meier had pulled that off, I’d be the first to applaud.

Obviously he didn’t “line him up” if he missed the torso on torso contact.

He attempted to line him up and failed.

Open ice hit specialists are few and far between and rarer all the time because the consequences of missing are understandably high.

This is missing the torso?

Look at Necas’ legs in a couple frames:

It’s just very poor from Necas.

 

[bleedgreen]

You're on to something here. Do you have a clip? It wasn't an elbow to the head from what I saw and Orlov definitely put himself in a vulnerable position.

He then jumped Haula after the skirmish had ended. I thought the Devils should have received a PP after all was said and done.

But, there was blood from Orlov's nose, so there was probably a better angle that I missed.

I watched the Devils feed and Haula clearly pushes Orlov’s head into the boards, and Orlov had a gauze packed up each nostril afterwards. Stopping the bleeding. Also shown on the Devils feed. Hard to call that a “dive”. Orlov is chasing the puck, not putting himself into a bad position. Haula had no reason to hit him there like that other than Haula was being over aggressive, and after the Necas call the already aggressive Devils really put it into hyperdrive looking for contact. I’ll have to go back and watch but I don’t remember the Devils announcers crying about the Orlov play like they were about Necas.

 

[NyQuil]

This is missing the torso?

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Look at Necas’ legs in a couple frames:

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It’s just very poor from Necas.

Yes, he missed the torso as the initial and primary point of contact.

Obviously both bodies keep moving and the torsos collided afterwards.

I never said the only point of contact was the knee.

 

[bleedgreen]

This is missing the torso?

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Look at Necas’ legs in a couple frames:

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It’s just very poor from Necas.

Lol what’s poor about Necas here? Have you ever watched Necas play? The same last pic you’re talking about shows Meier flexing his left knee preparing for contact!

 

[MB3]

didn’t realize Necas was a coward like that

You must not have watched (checks notes) literally any of his career, then.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Lol what’s poor about Necas here? Have you ever watched Necas play? The same second pic you’re talking about shows Meier flexing his left knee preparing for contact!

Yeah, I watched him hit Timo without the puck earlier in the game. Maybe if Timo flailed out of the way he could’ve drawn the kneeing penalty.

 

[NyQuil]

Here’s an example on how to execute an open ice hit.

Karlsson tries to cut away at the last second but Ovechkin has the angle right and collides body to body regardless.

 

[Czechboy]

Here’s an example on how to execute an open ice hit.

Karlsson tries to cut away at the last second but Ovechkin has the angle right and collides body to body regardless.

You're doing it wrong. Always blame the victim for not skating properly.lol

 

[bleedgreen]

Yeah, I watched him hit Timo without the puck earlier in the game. Maybe if Timo flailed out of the way he could’ve drawn the kneeing penalty.

I’m completely missing the point and trying to understand what you’re showing me.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Here’s an example on how to execute an open ice hit.

Karlsson tries to cut away at the last second but Ovechkin has the angle right and collides body to body regardless.

Good example of bracing for contact and not making it dangerous for both players. What is Ovechkin to do if Karlsson darts to the side at the last moment?

 

[SladeWilson23]

Oh, so if he misses a shift then that’s enough to convince you that perhaps he was not faking? It’s that concrete? No missed shift = obviously faking. Misses shift or two = possibly not faking. It’s that concrete?

Essentially yes. If you're legit in as much pain Necas made it seem, then you better be getting it checked out.

 

[NyQuil]

Good example of bracing for contact and not making it dangerous for both players. What is Ovechkin to do if Karlsson darts to the side at the last moment?

Karlsson actually tries to veer away but there’s nowhere for him to go. You can clearly see it in the last couple of replays.

Meier tries to hit him straight on which gives Necas too much room to maneuver.

One of them is textbook and the other is a fairly common consequence of a poorly executed attempt.

 

[Satans Hockey]

 

[NyQuil]

No surprise, Meier got lucky that Necas was fine.

 

[Satans Hockey]

No surprise, Meier got lucky that Necas was fine.

Nonsense, Timo never moves the path of his knee and Necas moved his knee into a position to get hit. There was never any intention to take out his knee there whatsoever.

 

[JPT]

I really don’t understand why seemingly all of this board thinks that if a player returns to a game after showing significant pain that they were a faker.

How many times have you seen a player get attended to on the ice after blocking a shot but return to the game later on? It happens many, many times every season. Are they all faking too?

Regardless of what you all feel about the intentions of the hit and the resulting penalty, it’s so f***ing ignorant to just call the guy a “coward” because he returned after taking knee on knee contact. Like use your brains. You don’t think a play like that would cause significant pain?

Maybe it’s time for you all to get off your couches and do something physical yourselves.

Yeah once I went from thinking my leg was broken and not being able to put any weight on it to being able to walk, albeit with pain, in about 5-10 minutes. It happens.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

No surprise, Meier got lucky that Necas was fine.

It has nothing to do with being lucky or Necas being injured. It wasn’t even a penalty. He doesn’t stick his knee out or change his angle at all. Necas caused the knee contact.

FYI Meier is just coming back from a recent suspension. If they even thought he was rightfully kicked out he would be facing a suspension as a repeat offender. It was a stupid reactionary call by the refs to a player rolling around on the ice and going off like his season was over.

Don’t even care about the debate on whether Necas was faking or what because it’s irrelevant to the fact that it wasn’t a penalty by Meier.

And the call completely changed the game.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Here’s an example on how to execute an open ice hit.

Karlsson tries to cut away at the last second but Ovechkin has the angle right and collides body to body regardless.

Absolutely laughable comparison to Necas altering his entire body posture and trying to jump to the side. Karlsson braces and rotates slightly to not take the hit dead on - what he doesn’t do is extend his own legs, shift his upper body, and try to jump to his right.