Meier knee Necas

[Jersey Fresh]

Devils players and coaches didn’t like a call that went against themselves?

Well that settles it folks, we’ve found the smoking gun

I don’t know you’ve been really convincing. Maybe Bryce Salvador was in their ear between the benches

 

[ryan callahan]

Not a dirty play but agree with the major. As a player you can't ever knee someone else. Responsibilty is on the hitter there.

 

[Satan]

Straight to jail

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don’t know you’ve been really convincing. Maybe Bryce Salvador was in their ear between the benches

I mean if there’s anyone who is less biased on the matter than a Devils fan or a Devils broadcaster, it’s definitely a Devils player.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I mean if there’s anyone who is less biased on the matter than a Devils fan or a Devils broadcaster, it’s definitely a Devils player.

May as well throw Canes HF board poster on there too, I guess. Don’t forget that one.

All this is eliding your pathetic attempt to cast every counter-narrative to approved Canes fan logic as the byproduct of broadcaster brainwashing. If now you just want to fall back on “everyone is biased”, so be it. Somehow that manages to be an even lamer distillation of the arguments.

 

[IDEKWTM]

Giving the benefit of the doubt to a team with the reputation of diving is quite funny.

What's really funny is a Sens fan defending it given they dress the biggest diver in the league in Tim Stutzle.

 

[NyQuil]

Giving the benefit of the doubt to a team with the reputation of diving is quite funny.

What's really funny is a Sens fan defending it given they dress the biggest diver in the league in Tim Stutzle.

I don’t care if it was Greg Louganis.

The primary point of contact is leg to leg.

There’s nothing ambiguous here.

Meier tried to lay Necas out, he missed, it was leg to leg.

 

[tarheelhockey]

May as well throw Canes HF board poster on there too, I guess. Don’t forget that one.

Other than people affiliated with the Devils in some fashion, has anyone suggested this was embellished? Because there are a whole bunch of neutral fans in this thread saying otherwise, and the argument doesn’t seem to exist anywhere that Devils fans/media aren’t driving it.

 

[IDEKWTM]

It's a 2 or 5 nothing more. The knee wasn't extending, Meier was going for a shoulder check, but Necas was making a side move at the same time. Unfortunate result, but I don't think it's as bad as Kucherov's hit.

It's nothing like the Kucherov Hit. Kucherov completely went for the hit leading his entire body into the knee of Tkachuk.

Meier lined up Necas body and Necas changed direction to avoid the hit.

 

[njdevils1982]

They nearly destroyed the cap with that stupid Kovalchuk contract too, seriously, why do we allow this joke of a franchise to exist? Move them to Hamilton already.

did you post this irrelevant garbage just to up your likes count?

 

[Better Call Sal]

Linesman can only Advise on High sticks and MAJORS. so if as I expect this was seen not be the refs but by a Linesman the way the call went down makes 100% sense then Since it's a major they can review said major to make sure they weren't wrong which was done. this is 100% in the rulebook.

That is all fine, but considering the puck was in play with the contact, I find it hard to believe the refs missed it. To me, the call was solely made based on the result of the play after the fact. It was seen in real time, and it wasn’t called because it wasn’t egregious. It was the result of Necas attempting to avoid the hit that Timo had lined up well.

At the end of the day, it is what it is. Nothing we can change about it now. Carolina was the better team last night, but we feel a bit jobbed over here given it was a tie game at the midway point of the 3rd when this happened.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Other than people affiliated with the Devils in some fashion, has anyone suggested this was embellished? Because there are a whole bunch of neutral fans in this thread saying otherwise, and the argument doesn’t seem to exist anywhere that Devils fans/media aren’t driving it.

There have been several, yes. Feel free to track back in the thread and take a look.

But let's just stop here and acknowledge that you've now shifted by some measure from your original argument of some all-mighty power of suggestion by home town broadcasters, to now just general team bias. Truly earth-shattering stuff.

You'll have to teach us how Canes fans, players, and broadcasters have managed to stay immune, that's impressive.

 

[NyQuil]

If Meier actually knew how to throw a hit properly this whole thread wouldn’t exist.

That’s what a lot of the people in this thread are conveniently avoiding discussing.

Its a lot easier to blame the guy lying in the ice than the guy who should probably avoid these types of hits from now on considering how bad he is at delivering them.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The Devils players and coaching staff have all made similar comments.

lol that’s your attempt at satire right.

 

[Derailed75]

Haula got penalized for that and I'd argue that was more of a major penalty than what Timo did but thanks for making my point. But good acting on Orlov jumping from the bench after he was on the ice for a minute too

He went to the bench to wipe the blood off his face, he left a pool of it in the ice. What do you think he did, pull a Rick Flair and had a razor blade hid in his glove?

 

[tarheelhockey]

There have been several, yes. Feel free to track back in the thread and take a look.

In 10 pages, there have been two posts from third party fans even suggesting it as a possibility. Of those two, one said it was a legit major penalty even if he milked it (note phrasing).

Once again, the assertion that there have been “several” such posts is flat-out delusion. Perhaps you’ve been mistaking Devils fans for neutral fans?

But let's just stop here and acknowledge that you've now shifted by some measure from your original argument of some all-mighty power of suggestion by home town broadcasters, to now just general team bias. Truly earth-shattering stuff.

You'll have to teach us how Canes fans, players, and broadcasters have managed to stay immune, that's impressive.

Canes broadcast didn’t try to sell any narrative about it. They reviewed the penalty call itself, expressed relief that Necas wasn’t seriously injured, and moved on.

Devils broadcast spent the entire rest of the game continuously grousing about it. Relating every other event back to it somehow. Making the entire outcome of the game (4 unanswered goals in the third period to blow a lead) all about one call.

The difference was striking, and speaks to the way group psychology works in a competitive environment. It’s no surprise that the same team’s coaches and players wanted to spend the postgame accusing an opponent of faking an obvious injury, rather than talking about their performance. It’s no surprise that the fanbase mobilized to talk about this topic instead of the game. It’s no surprise that they’re practically alone on the island where this narrative exists.

You know how you guys mocked Rangers fans for being disconnected from reality when it came to Trouba? You’re collectively exhibiting the same behavior now. It’s normal in the context of sports fandom, so no undue judgment on you for it, but it does make for a long and pointless thread.

 

[BHD]

The Devils unravelled after the call. Haula's hit on Orlov (which happned later) was worse IMO.

 

[IDEKWTM]

If Meier actually knew how to throw a hit properly this whole thread wouldn’t exist.

That’s what a lot of the people in this thread are conveniently avoiding discussing.

Its a lot easier to blame the guy lying in the ice than the guy who should probably avoid these types of hits from now on considering how bad he is at delivering them.

How bad is he?

In 10 pages, there have been two posts from third party fans even suggesting it as a possibility. Of those two, one said it was a legit major penalty even if he milked it (note phrasing).

Once again, the assertion that there have been “several” such posts is flat-out delusion. Perhaps you’ve been mistaking Devils fans for neutral fans?



Canes broadcast didn’t try to sell any narrative about it. They reviewed the penalty call itself, expressed relief that Necas wasn’t seriously injured, and moved on.

Devils broadcast spent the entire rest of the game continuously grousing about it. Relating every other event back to it somehow. Making the entire outcome of the game (4 unanswered goals in the third period to blow a lead) all about one call.

The difference was striking, and speaks to the way group psychology works in a competitive environment. It’s no surprise that the same team’s coaches and players wanted to spend the postgame accusing an opponent of faking an obvious injury, rather than talking about their performance. It’s no surprise that the fanbase mobilized to talk about this topic instead of the game. It’s no surprise that they’re practically alone on the island where this narrative exists.

You know how you guys mocked Rangers fans for being disconnected from reality when it came to Trouba? You’re collectively exhibiting the same behavior now. It’s normal in the context of sports fandom, so no undue judgment on you for it, but it does make for a long and pointless thread.

DId you expect the Canes broadcast to complain about receiving a 5 min PP?

Are you telling me the Canes broadcast wouldn't have a different reaction if it was the other way around?

Are you comparing Meier to Trouba?

 

[Reality Czech]

How bout this rule? If the guy injured on the ice causes a stop in play, he's not allowed back on the ice until the next whistle? Seems fair to me.

Necas served his knee up one a platter there, that's for sure. Even Patrik Laine is impressed.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The Devils unravelled after the call. Haula's hit on Orlov (which happned later) was worse IMO.

And that’s why I’m not too concerned about whether Meier deserved a major or not. Did he? Probably not. But Haula’s hit definitely did, and he got nothing for it (both he and Orlov were penalized for the scrum afterwards), so the Canes catch a break one way, the Devils catch a break the other.

And as Tarheel said, the focus on whether or not the knee deserved a major or not is simply a narrative that’s being used to distract from the fact that a very good Devils team that’s typically very stingy defensively was absolutely not last night.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Its a lot easier to blame the guy lying in the ice than the guy who should probably avoid these types of hits from now on considering how bad he is at delivering them.

Found this picture of Necas from last night...

 

[Better Call Sal]

If Meier actually knew how to throw a hit properly this whole thread wouldn’t exist.

That’s what a lot of the people in this thread are conveniently avoiding discussing.

Its a lot easier to blame the guy lying in the ice than the guy who should probably avoid these types of hits from now on considering how bad he is at delivering them.

It’s actually much easier to blame the guy throwing the hit and deeming it dangerous even though he lined him up for a textbook open ice hit.

This is why watching these clips in slow motion is infuriating because the game isn’t played that way. Watch it in real time and you’ll see that Necas tried to avoid it at the last minute and Meier couldn’t do a thing at that time to adjust his positioning for how he would connect.

And that’s why I’m not too concerned about whether Meier deserved a major or not. Did he? Probably not. But Haula’s hit definitely did, and he got nothing for it (both he and Orlov were penalized for the scrum afterwards), so the Canes catch a break one way, the Devils catch a break the other.

And as Tarheel said, the focus on whether or not the knee deserved a major or not is simply a narrative that’s being used to distract from the fact that a very good Devils team that’s typically very stingy defensively was absolutely not last night.

While I agree the Haula hit was worse, the old adage of two wrongs don’t make a right applies to hockey rules as well as daycare rules.

Quite the difference in “breaks caught” by both teams. One gets a 3 minute major powerplay once the coincidental minutes are served, the other warrants no advantage either way.

Don’t get it twisted. There is no Devil fan that is arguing we were the better team last night. Allen kept us in it for the first 40 minutes. But hard not to feel like you had a chance for at least a point taken away from you when a questionable major call is given after the fact and one of your better offensive players is tossed as a result.

 

[sattar18]

Devils broadcast spent the entire rest of the game continuously grousing about it. Relating every other event back to it somehow. Making the entire outcome of the game (4 unanswered goals in the third period to blow a lead) all about one call.

The difference was striking, and speaks to the way group psychology works in a competitive environment. It’s no surprise that the same team’s coaches and players wanted to spend the postgame accusing an opponent of faking an obvious injury, rather than talking about their performance. It’s no surprise that the fanbase mobilized to talk about this topic instead of the game. It’s no surprise that they’re practically alone on the island where this narrative exists.

You know how you guys mocked Rangers fans for being disconnected from reality when it came to Trouba? You’re collectively exhibiting the same behavior now. It’s normal in the context of sports fandom, so no undue judgment on you for it, but it does make for a long and pointless thread.

Let’s not pretend like if the situations were reversed that the Canes broadcast wouldn’t have done the same thing.

Separately, yes it does affect the outcome of the game when the game was tied 2-2 until the review call … completely glossing over that aspect instead talking about 4 straight goals… please.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

In 10 pages, there have been two posts from third party fans even suggesting it as a possibility. Of those two, one said it was a legit major penalty even if he milked it (note phrasing).

Once again, the assertion that there have been “several” such posts is flat-out delusion. Perhaps you’ve been mistaking Devils fans for neutral fans?



Canes broadcast didn’t try to sell any narrative about it. They reviewed the penalty call itself, expressed relief that Necas wasn’t seriously injured, and moved on.

Devils broadcast spent the entire rest of the game continuously grousing about it. Relating every other event back to it somehow. Making the entire outcome of the game (4 unanswered goals in the third period to blow a lead) all about one call.

The difference was striking, and speaks to the way group psychology works in a competitive environment. It’s no surprise that the same team’s coaches and players wanted to spend the postgame accusing an opponent of faking an obvious injury, rather than talking about their performance. It’s no surprise that the fanbase mobilized to talk about this topic instead of the game. It’s no surprise that they’re practically alone on the island where this narrative exists.

You know how you guys mocked Rangers fans for being disconnected from reality when it came to Trouba? You’re collectively exhibiting the same behavior now. It’s normal in the context of sports fandom, so no undue judgment on you for it, but it does make for a long and pointless thread.

Oh, so which is it? The broadcasters reflect the coaches or the other way around? This is hilarious stuff. Again, you keep cycling between the two arguments about in-group tendencies and broadcasters implanting narrative arcs in people's heads.

If your initial argument was "fans and team-affiliated people" are biased, great. It would have the same level of informational value as saying "grass is green", but hey, at least it would be cogent. Trying to spin this as some long-winded transitive process from broadcaster to fan is comical. We saw what we saw, and we aren't the only ones, much as you'd like to pretend that's the case.

I find that pretty hard to believe about the Canes broadcasters considering posters in this thread were already mentioning they were campaigning for a major on Haula's hit. They managed to purse their lips with Necas laying on the ice? Interesting.

Here's three right off the bat quickly cycling through the thread:

Between this and the Tkachuk dive the NHL's officials need improvement on handling this situation.

Better be prepared to deal with Canes & Panthers theater school come playoff time Devils fans, that's their M.O.
Worked against NYR.

Shades of Ribeiro from Necas.

But who's to say, they may all have been watching the Devils broadcast.

Edit: And as a follow up to your "group psychology" point, which I'm sure you've also seen, I took a quick gander at your GDT and you have multiple different people on your board celebrating (seriously) Haula's wife's miscarriage. So this is clearly a phenomenon that hasn't escaped the Canes fandom.

 

[Satans Hockey]

How bout this rule? If the guy injured on the ice causes a stop in play, he's not allowed back on the ice until the next whistle? Seems fair to me.

Necas served his knee up one a platter there, that's for sure. Even Patrik Laine is impressed.

MLS does this to try to stop players from faking...

"If a player with a suspected injury remains on the ground for more than 15 seconds, the referee will stop play and wave the medical crew onto the field to evaluate the player. When safe, the player will be removed from the field and remain off the field for a minimum of two minutes for further assessment and treatment.

Exceptions to the Off-Field Treatment Rule include instances of potential head injury, goalkeeper injuries, serious medical events, and fouls resulting in yellow or red cards"