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McDavid's peak/prime vs. Jagr's peak/prime

McDavid's peak/prime vs. Jagr's peak/prime

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Jagr's peak/prime lasted 7 seasons with five Art Rosses and was the runaway points leader.

McDavid is on his way to his 5th Ross in his last seven seasons was the runaway points leader.

Ignoring their ages, whose was more impressive over their seven year stretches?

Jagr: NHL Stats

Jagr's PPG - 1.54

Next best PPG (min. games): 1.35 - Lindros, 1.30 - Forsberg

Avg. PPG of the other Top 10 scorers: 1.20 (Jagr's PPG is 28% better)


McDavid: NHL Stats

Jagr's PPG - 1.50

Next best PPG (min. games): 1.35 - Kucherov, 1.27 - Draisaitl

Avg. PPG of the other Top 10 scorers: 1.18 (McDavid's PPG is 27%)


My personal opinion is that Jagr's time spent with Mario in some of the seasons is cancelled by McDavid's time with Draisatl for all his seasons. I think both players put up their numbers regardless of linemates/teammates.
 
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I think Jagr is very underrated, but this is McDavid for me. His playoffs last year were better than anything Jagr did in the postseason (though he is underrated there aswell).

It would be interesting to see what would happen if McDrai were on their own for a season. Jagr, Lemieux, Malkin and Crosby all proved that they could be the best in the league without each other, would like to see McDrai get the chance to do the same. McDavid won the Art twice before Draisaitl entered beastmode, but that was not peak McDavid. I think it would be fun to see them on their own.
 
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Matsun said:
I think Jagr is very underrated, but this is McDavid for me. His playoffs last year were better than anything Jagr did in the postseason (though he is underrated there aswell).

It would be interesting to see what would happen if McDrai were on their own for a season. Jagr, Lemieux, Malkin and Crosby all proved that they could be the best in the league without each other, would like to see McDrai get the chance to do the same. McDavid won the Art twice before Draisaitl entered beastmode, but that was not peak McDavid. I think it would be fun to see them on their own.
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I don't know about Jagr being underrated. Maybe specifically on HOH he is sometimes, but in general he gets rated pretty high. Example on the recent Athletic list he was #5.

McDavids playoff last year is definitely better than any of Jagr's - but he also has a really poor playoff record outside of last year, whereas Jagr is more consistent. So still missing more runs - hopefully he can keep building on those.

I voted McDavid. I feel like this season is shaping up to be the best by far - and even his 2021 is pretty spectacular, though how you adjust for the weird covid season is up for debate.
 
Matsun said:
I think Jagr is very underrated, but this is McDavid for me. His playoffs last year were better than anything Jagr did in the postseason (though he is underrated there aswell).

It would be interesting to see what would happen if McDrai were on their own for a season. Jagr, Lemieux, Malkin and Crosby all proved that they could be the best in the league without each other, would like to see McDrai get the chance to do the same. McDavid won the Art twice before Draisaitl entered beastmode, but that was not peak McDavid. I think it would be fun to see them on their own.
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Jagr was actually a better playoff performer without Mario than with on teams that were arguably worse than McDavid's playoff teams.

And he certainly didn't have a Draisaitl scoring at a similar pace in the non-Mario years.

On the whole, I think the difference in their regular season numbers projects well to their playoff numbers.
 
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I voted McDavid, especially because his prime is not over. Over the course of the 7 years I'd have to go with Jagr but that is not fair imo since McDavid only hit his real peak in the last few seasons. It's close though. Jagr over Ovi/Crosby though.
 
Factoring in the lower scoring era it is clearly Jagr, but not by a lot. I don't see how people are saying McDavid from a pure numbers point of view.

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McDavid took some time to hit his peak. I would say their seven year stretches are comparable overall, while McDavid has a somewhat higher peak of play (from 20-21 to now). Interesting to see how long he keeps it up.
 
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frisco said:
Factoring in the lower scoring era it is clearly Jagr, but not by a lot. I don't see how people are saying McDavid from a pure numbers point of view.

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Looking beyond the raw numbers, McDavid has had a long stretch of being known as the best player in the world. Whether you say it was 2016-2017 or 2017-18, once he got the crown he has held onto it. Jagr wasn't considered the best forward in the world until 1998 (and player until 1999) and firmly relinquished the title in 2001-02. Rightly or wrongly, McDavid was known as the best player in the world longer than Jagr was.

McDavid never had a Lemieux or Hasek situation. McDavid never had a disinterested Jagr early 00-01. Jagr never had a run close to McDavid 2022.
 
This is very close. Jagr had more talent around him, especially the 2nd best player in history and a Top 20 all time center in Francis, but McDavid is the better talent. No wrong answer here.
 
Jagr didn't play with Lemieux at all in 94-95, 97-98, 98-99, 99-00. He played most of 96-96 and 96-97 with Mario but wasn't always on his line. And then half of 2000-01 when they were true line mates.

+/-
Jagr +154
McDavid +99

Playoffs
Jagr 77 GP and 95 points.
McDavid 37 GP and 55 points.

It's close but I'd go Jagr slightly. Jagr was in the playoffs more often/deeper and more consistent there. McDavid's playoff resume's value is almost all just one year (and that's giving him credit for the play-in round which Edmonton lost). Of course, McDavid could add-on this year, playoffs-wise.

My Best-Carey
 
I said even.

I think it is forgotten that post 1998 when Francis left that those Penguins really started to show their lack of depth. This was from years of being good earlier in the decade and perhaps not drafting very well in recent years either. Also the financial situation in the late 1990s was not good for them. But either way, Jagr in 1999 puts up 127 points and runs away with the Art Ross. He is on pace to do the same in 2000 but only plays 63 games. Yet still wins the Art Ross. Jagr from 1994-'01 was a sight to behold. He won 5 Art Rosses and McDavid is going to win his 5th this year. We'll see how he finishes the season, and how much better he gets if anything. In the end it might be a consensus that it is McDavid that wins this. Right now, just to be safe I'll say even. Because who the heck did Jagr have on the team in 1999 and 2000 to get him those numbers?
 
Very close. The numbers are close and the other factors are fairly similar. Pittsburgh played a more offensive style than almost any other team in Jagr's time, but lets not pretend that McDavid is tasked with much of any defensive responsibility. Jagr has a Lemieux bump, but McDavid plays with Draisaitl more over the course of his prime than Jagr did with Lemieux plus Jagr's peak did not feature Lemieux. Jagr played at a time when the top offensive players were injured at historic levels, but he deserves credit for getting through that period himself despite his taxing style of play. Jagr was definitely the better possession player, McDavid is probably better at actual defending but it's not a big plus for either. McDavid's best season to this point happened with a truly bizarre schedule. Jagr would demand things of the organization that McDavid doesn't seem to, though maybe he should. I don't know exactly how to balance the context but I think it roughly balances out.

I prefer McDavid for prime because he seems more of a guaranteed thing in terms of what you get, but I might go with Jagr for peak at the moment.
 
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seventieslord said:
I'm basically just saying McDavid from my gut, because those numbers seem to suggest the answer's Jagr.
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Basically everybody in this thread voting McDavid.

Jagr suffers from a reputation problem, but as a player, since his days, we've yet to see the kind of offensive dominance of the league he showed during his prime. Sid or Malkin were never close. Ovechkin was closer than Sid, but still rather far. McDavid's close, but not there.

That said, McDavid is a freak and he could very well still have his prime ahead of him, so the jury is absolutely still out.
 
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To the guys saying McDavid AINEC and not adding anything to the discussion, care to share some thoughts behind your reasoning?

Because IMO it's so very obviously close and it's a good thought exercise and a good idea for a thread.
 
Its slightly Jagr, nearly even, and will very likely be McDavid within a season or two.

and it is sort of an easy comparison, as we are talking players who are mostly purely offensive type players, both with one great linemate sometimes, but also completely capable of carrying anyone along.
 
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jcbio11 said:
Basically everybody in this thread voting McDavid.

Jagr suffers from a reputation problem, but as a player, since his days, we've yet to see the kind of offensive dominance of the league he showed during his prime. Sid or Malkin were never close. Ovechkin was closer than Sid, but still rather far. McDavid's close, but not there.

That said, McDavid is a freak and he could very well still have his prime ahead of him, so the jury is absolutely still out.
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I consider Ovechkin pretty close if I ignore duration. not the same points dominance, but an add in goals and physicality. However, he only had 3 years in this upper realm
 
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