Player Discussion McDavid

[Sinnerella]

Poor take. He's a star player that could have signed 8x8. He took a massive discount

He could have asked for 11x3 and got it, or 12x5 lol or 87/8.

 

[McJadeddog]

If he wants to win take an entry level contract for one year with the Panthers next season. The go back to Edmonton and win a few more Harts and Art Ross' and retire as part owner!

Modern problems require modern solutions...

Obviously I would never want this to happen, but from his perspective, this is exactly what he should be thinking about doing if winning is really all he cares about. He should sign a 1-3 year deal for very low money, on a team that is very close to winning a championship, or just won. I would obviously prefer that team to be Edmonton, but really any contending team would do, as long as McDavid thought he could be the piece that pushed them over the edge. The trick is that he has to sign for absurdly cheap, like maybe $3-4 M at most. The team then uses the roughly $10 M in savings to sign 2 solid $5 M players to round out their 2nd/3rd lines, or signs one stud guy at $10 M.

 

[BlackDogg]

They will always take the $$, so Cups are secondary to the players. Even though they will tell you it is #1, cup or bust, etc. Of course that is bullshit. A cup is a must have secondary item (ie. its a nice to have).

 

[Seth92]

They will always take the $$, so Cups are secondary to the players. Even though they will tell you it is #1, cup or bust, etc. Of course that is bullshit. A cup is a must have secondary item (ie. its a nice to have).

Plus they can retire and become staff or coaches and win the cup that way (Luongo and such)

 

[McJadeddog]

They will always take the $$, so Cups are secondary to the players. Even though they will tell you it is #1, cup or bust, etc. Of course that is bullshit. A cup is a must have secondary item (ie. its a nice to have).

Oh I agree 100%, its all just "saying the right thing". Money will always be first, second and third. Sure, players might be willing to take small discounts, 10-15% or whatever, to stay in a winning environment, but they pretty much never take massive discounts.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Something else to worry about is that another short offseason may mean Davo regresses even more.....

In an ideal world he takes October off, obviously that won't happen.

 

[Stoneman89]

Oh I agree 100%, its all just "saying the right thing". Money will always be first, second and third. Sure, players might be willing to take small discounts, 10-15% or whatever, to stay in a winning environment, but they pretty much never take massive discounts.

Not to mention, there is a set hierarchy for salaries, and NHLPA would lose their shit if someone of that ilk took a huge discount. It would set a precedent and f*** up the future negotiation for contracts of other star players.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Poor take. He's a star player that could have signed 8x8. He took a massive discount

It's pretty unreasonable for fans to expect players to sign for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Stoneman89]

Something else to worry about is that another short offseason may mean Davo regresses even more.....

In an ideal world he takes October off, obviously that won't happen.

Well, he just took the finals off, so he should be good to go.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Not to mention, there is a set hierarchy for salaries, and NHLPA would lose their shit if someone of that ilk took a huge discount. It would set a precedent and f*** up the future negotiation for contracts of other star players.

The nhlpa can’t do anything about it.

This is a myth going back to the pre salary cap days.

McDavid getting paid more won’t be driving up the cap

 

[Stoneman89]

The nhlpa can’t do anything about it.

This is a myth going back to the pre salary cap days.

McDavid getting paid more won’t be driving up the cap

No, it won't be driving up the cap. But it will help the upper end players get a bigger piece of the pie.

 

[Canovin]

No, it won't be driving up the cap. But it will help the upper end players get a bigger piece of the pie.

The upper echelon guys are probably just Matthews, Marner, Nylander. McDavid definitely needs to take the most possible to satisfy that bunch.

 

[22Brad Park]

Obviously I would never want this to happen, but from his perspective, this is exactly what he should be thinking about doing if winning is really all he cares about. He should sign a 1-3 year deal for very low money, on a team that is very close to winning a championship, or just won. I would obviously prefer that team to be Edmonton, but really any contending team would do, as long as McDavid thought he could be the piece that pushed them over the edge. The trick is that he has to sign for absurdly cheap, like maybe $3-4 M at most. The team then uses the roughly $10 M in savings to sign 2 solid $5 M players to round out their 2nd/3rd lines, or signs one stud guy at $10 M.

The players association would file a grievance and the NHL would void the deal.There is no way they would let that happen.

 

[K1984]

No, it won't be driving up the cap. But it will help the upper end players get a bigger piece of the pie.

I don't know if it even would if it's widely acknowledged as a discount.

Gustav Forsling's deal didn't do anything to the Top 4 D market because everyone knows it's a Florida deal as one example. McDavid voluntarily signing for cheap won't stop other stars from using leverage to drive up their price if they have it.

 

[bucks_oil]

The players association would file a grievance and the NHL would void the deal.There is no way they would let that happen.

Why? What would be their motivation?

The salary cap means a fixed pool of money... why would they care how it is distributed among the players (top vs bottom end)? In the end they are collecting 1.79% of all of the money in the pool.

If anything, having more money for bottom to mid-end players means more votes that are happy.

 

[Stoneman89]

I don't know if it even would if it's widely acknowledged as a discount.

Gustav Forsling's deal didn't do anything to the Top 4 D market because everyone knows it's a Florida deal as one example. McDavid voluntarily signing for cheap won't stop other stars from using leverage to drive up their price if they have it.

I can almost guarantee you that if McDavid took a big discount, there would be big pressure (maybe even some sneaky collusion) on any other big time players trying to get market value by teams looking to take advantage of it.

 

[McJadeddog]

Not to mention, there is a set hierarchy for salaries, and NHLPA would lose their shit if someone of that ilk took a huge discount. It would set a precedent and f*** up the future negotiation for contracts of other star players.

This argument has never made any sense in a hard cap world. If anything, the exact opposite should always be true. If I was a player, I would want every player in the league taking as little as possible, so there was more money left over for me. It is very literally a zero-sum game, as there is a fixed pool of assets available to the players.

The only way that argument holds water, is if every team (or the vast majority of them) were only at the floor, rather than the cap. But that isn't the case, the vast majority of teams are at the cap.

 

[McJadeddog]

The players association would file a grievance and the NHL would void the deal.There is no way they would let that happen.

See my previous post about this. In a hard cap world, all players should be hoping for the fixed pool to be as big as possible for them, which means they should be hoping for smaller deals for everybody else. Its a zero-sum game.

Players are not very smart though, so its not surprising most wouldn't understand this pretty basic concept.

 

[McJadeddog]

No, it won't be driving up the cap. But it will help the upper end players get a bigger piece of the pie.

This is the correct interpretation. The only players that should be hoping that McDavid gets close to the max 20% he can, is other players that can use him as a comparable. So players like MacKinnon, Drai, Matthews, Kucherov, and well... that might be the entire list actually, lol. Every other player, so 99.X% of the league, should be hoping that McDavid makes a lot less, as this would directly benefit them.