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Player Discussion McDavid

Ovi has the largest contract of all time @ $124 million. I assume McDavid wants to beat that so 8 x 16.

However I could see him signing 3 x 15 to be the highest AAV, and try to win a cup over the next 4-5 years. Then collect a huge 7-8 year deal somewhere.
Why would McDavid care about wanting to “beat” Ovis contract? Contracts are constantly signed under different cap limits and economic situations. McDavid is going to sign his contract under the current/ forecast CBA parameters irregardless of what Ovechkins’s contract looks like.
 
The measure of McDavid's contract value is not against other top players in the league. It is in consideration of being the economic engine for the franchise value of the Oilers (Forbes #7 among cartel members at $2.4 Billion) and in setting the league's annual revenue record for his owner. For perspective, in 2012/13, the franchise valuation was $400 million. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that post career McDavid might receive a stake in the franchise.

As for the player who will likely ultimately finish his career as a top 3-5 all time, I don't tend to necessarily look at perceived deficiencies in his game but moreso the bigger picture. The league has game planned to stop him and the lethal power play and we see some of the effects with aggressive neutral zone defending to contest his zone entry speed and, always facing opponent top competition, layered in-zone defending to flood the warp speed cheat code and force other Oilers to beat them. Stack the house and force McDavid to skate perimeter distance using time and energy to assess and look for vulnerability. His regular line mates have also regressed from peak career season, Hyman this past season's goal scoring dropping by 27 and Nuge a steady drop from 104 points to 67 and last year's 49 points.

I agree with others suggesting load management might help especially as extra duty to God and Country call for more with 4 Nations and next year's Olympic. Time for ownership and management to ask not what (more) your Connor can do for you but what you can do your Connor. They're on the clock to build around this rare gift and likely some fresh coaching to re-energize a somewhat stale power play.


 
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Normally we would have heard already in the post pressers and exit comments. However proviso. McD could in fact have injury that would conceivably be recurring and of a nature difficult to remedy. There could be hesitance to disclose such thing right now, and it could be damaging for McD to have any such information disclosed. Because it could obviously impact next contracts.

The Oilers are right not to make it any talking point and if there is an injury not to disclose it. just my take.

If it isn't injury thats obviously the worst news it means McD i quite clearly post peak and has been for most of two seasons.

I would never have expected Drai to outlast McD in top of table production but who knows.
He didn't look injured to me neither in regards to speed, nor shooting ability. I suppose the shooting aspect could be hard to tell for outsiders. His GWG in the last Four Nations game looked pretty good.
 
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The measure of McDavid's contract value is not against other top players in the league. It is in consideration of being the economic engine for the franchise value of the Oilers (Forbes #7 among cartel members at $2.4 Billion) and in setting the league's annual revenue record for his owner. For perspective, in 2012/13, the franchise valuation was $400 million. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that post career McDavid might receive a stake in the franchise.

As for the player who will likely ultimately finish his career as a top 3-5 all time, I don't tend to necessarily look at perceived deficiencies in his game but moreso the bigger picture. The league has game planned to stop him and the lethal power play and we see some of the effects with aggressive neutral zone defending to contest his zone entry speed and, always facing opponent top competition, layered in-zone defending to flood the warp speed cheat code and force other Oilers to beat them. Stack the house and force McDavid to skate perimeter distance using time and energy to assess and look for vulnerability. His regular line mates have also regressed from peak career season, Hyman this past season's goal scoring dropping by 27 and Nuge a steady drop from 104 points to 67 and last year's 49 points.

I agree with others suggesting load management might help especially as extra duty to God and Country call for more with 4 Nations and next year's Olympic. Time for ownership and management to ask not what (more) your Connor can do for you but what you can do your Connor. They're on the clock to build around this rare gift and likely some fresh coaching to re-energize a somewhat stale power play.



Yeah and what do you think crosby was worth in 2016? He re-signed 8.7 whole way through.

First time he signs post ELC that is 14.4 in 2025 94 million cap dollars. Second time that is 12.7 in 2025 94 million cap dollars. When they won in 2017, that was 11.2 million in 2024 94 million cap dollars lol He left at least 1.7 on the table PER SEASON compared to the 14.4 lol If he signed for the same percentage of the cap in 2013-2014, it would have been a 9.8 caphit in 2013-2014 cap dollars. If he wanted a raise, it would have been 10.5+. He left at least 1.8 on the table to win. 10.5 on crosby's third deal would be around 15.34 in 2025 cap dollars, the same thing mcdavid could easily demand and be worth every dollar of, just like crosby and 10.5 vs 8.7. So it is really all in mcdavid's hands, any team paying him will suffer these same constraints if he chooses money over winning. If he did crosby's 2013-2014 deal with the goal of being as competitive in year one of his deal as crosby's team was in 2017 because of his cap hit, he will sign 11.2 lol BUT I WOULD RATHER PAY HIM MAX CAP THAN LET HIM GO SO ALL IN HIS HANDS. Does he want to try to pull off david vs goliath each year? Or does he want more support.

We already know he did a variation of this with chiapet lol wasnt the rumor his agent brought him a fully prepped 8 year/13.5 per contract or 14 something like that and mcdavid went "hold on now their chuck"
 
Literally leaving millions on the table.
Probably a smart move by his agent. Assuming the cap keeps going up like it is expected to in the next few years, he will be able to then cash in on an 8 year retirement contract if he wants at $$$ higher than what he could get today, or he may decide at that point in his career he is only signing one year deals and will become a mercenary and make sure he always has the option to sign with a competitive team. Only real negative would be injury concern.
 
Probably a smart move by his agent. Assuming the cap keeps going up like it is expected to in the next few years, he will be able to then cash in on an 8 year retirement contract if he wants at $$$ higher than what he could get today, or he may decide at that point in his career he is only signing one year deals and will become a mercenary and make sure he always has the option to sign with a competitive team. Only real negative would be injury concern.
Not if his total dollars over the time period is lower lol I mean, to theoretically make an argument for what you say, you have to say mcdavid would be max cap every year lol 19.1 million this year and yeah he is worth it lol oilers would probably pay that for 8 years lol cap jumps and he could get 20.8, 22.7, etc so he could also just sign for one year max term lol but injury risk performance risk etc from his side. Who knows what he would actually want too - maybe he would take 3*15 or 8*15 lol or 8*16. If it is 8*16 vs 3*15, he could be borrowing like 76 million and making an extra 2.5 per year on the 8*16 or he could borrow say 33ish on the 3*15 and make like 990k lol so that is 1.6 more per year on top of the flat 1 million per year more. So 2.6 per year. So 5*16 vs say 3x17 (first contract or as the second contract for years 4/5/6) lol it still comes out ahead for 8*16. There is no way him securing the bag on long term isnt better in ever way. The only way this isnt true is if they project MASSIVE cap increases in year 4 and 5, like up to say 125 million then 138 million lol
 
Not if his total dollars over the time period is lower lol I mean, to theoretically make an argument for what you say, you have to say mcdavid would be max cap every year lol 19.1 million this year and yeah he is worth it lol oilers would probably pay that for 8 years lol cap jumps and he could get 20.8, 22.7, etc so he could also just sign for one year max term lol but injury risk performance risk etc from his side. Who knows what he would actually want too - maybe he would take 3*15 or 8*15 lol or 8*16. If it is 8*16 vs 3*15, he could be borrowing like 76 million and making an extra 2.5 per year on the 8*16 or he could borrow say 33ish on the 3*15 and make like 990k lol so that is 1.6 more per year on top of the flat 1 million per year more. So 2.6 per year. So 5*16 vs say 3x17 (first contract or as the second contract for years 4/5/6) lol it still comes out ahead for 8*16. There is no way him securing the bag on long term isnt better in ever way. The only way this isnt true is if they project MASSIVE cap increases in year 4 and 5, like up to say 125 million then 138 million lol
I could see him taking 3 x 16 on this deal (as opposed to 8 x 15 if he would sign long term, usually give up $$ when gaining term) Then his next deal in 27-28, when the cap is expected to be near 120M, he will easily be the 20M+ range for whatever length of deal he wants. Even if he were to sign now for 8 x 16, he's better off going 3 x 16 and then 5 x 20.
 
Why would McDavid care about wanting to “beat” Ovis contract? Contracts are constantly signed under different cap limits and economic situations. McDavid is going to sign his contract under the current/ forecast CBA parameters irregardless of what Ovechkins’s contract looks like.
Couldn't disagree more. It's about setting the bar as the highest paid player ever.
 
I'm expecting a 3-5 year deal for McDavid. I doubt he wants to lock in for the next 8.
This makes the most sense to me too. Small commitment, let the cap rise a whole bunch, puts him into his early 30s. Then lock into 40 for a giant contract while his game slows down.
 
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