Post-Game Talk: McDavid took that personally

I don't have nearly the anxiety with Pickard in net that I do with Skinner, especially on the first ten shots... And I can only imagine how much more calming it is for the team to have Pickard in net. It's funny, because with Skinner out, we're actually able to talk about other problems with the team and I'm actually finding myself agreeing with people that I had previously considered putting on ignore (nobody has made the cut just yet). And many of those people seem to be championing Pickard getting the start in the playoffs as well.

So...maybe Skinner should wait a few more weeks just to be safe. You don't want to take any chances with concussions!
Having to watch the US feed on TNT, they interviewed Brown on-ice after the game, and he was asked about Pickard stepping in after an up and down career, and Brown said 'he's kinda the heart and soul of our group, and basically we've embraced him, he plays well in front of us and we've played well in front of him and there's chemistry', to paraphrase.

Sure it sounds like a typical cliche-type answer but he could have just said he's done great stepping in for Skinner while he's been out, but he went and really praised him...
 
Yeah, I think we needed Carlo more than Walman, and that's no knock on Walman, he's great. I just feel like Carlo would've been a better answer to our problems. I think with what we spent on Klingberg (pay-wise), Jones, an injured Frederic, and Walman, maybe toss in a prospect, and we could've had Carlo, Dumoulin, and Reimer...though I'm pretty satisfied with Pickard in net and hope he keeps the starting gig come playoff time. Also glad to see that most of the board feels that way about Pickard as well.
How can people still say this about Carlo? Walman has better numbers across the board since their trades, and he makes less and costed less to aquire. Plus, Nurse has constantly showed better with someone who can move the puck well, which doesn't fit Carlo at all. Carlo might have an extra year, but I'd bet fans would either be calling for him to be bottom pair or traded by the end of his deal, as he wouldn't fit with Nurse.

Walman might be the best move of the deadline, a 1st for an under 30 Dman signed for 3.4 for next year as well, that is pacing for 40+pts and +25 here? While playing mostly with a Dman who finding a partner for has been very difficult? Yes please, I'll take that any day of the week.

Dumoulin hasn't been anything special either, and Reimer didn't move.

Frederic shouldn't be judged until he plays some games for us and we see what he decides this offseason. If he barely plays, but then signs here for 1×2m and has 45+pts next year, would you still rather have 33yo Dumoulin for only this year? If he does nothing then f***s off, ok it's bad, but that could happen to any player we picked up.
 
As a random scorer, like Pods or Brown, I preferred the backhand. hah. Its just harder to predict like you say but its also surprising to goalies who just expect a player in 2025 to not be trying to slot a backhand. Not sure why players don't do it more. Hard for goalies to prepare for what they don't expect. With a backhand as well its also so much more likely you can slot it by an outstretched pad.
I have a story if anyone's interested. I think Binnington is a good goalie but I say him cheating to his blocker side all night. 3 goals were scored on glove hand side low with lots of room.
Now.... here's my story...

In beer league... after my illustrious career in the show (yes..yes I made it. Well - technically. I was in the oilfield at time and on EI so I was technically getting paid to play hockey every day at noon), our goalies didn't show up once. For some stupid reason I volunteered. With that... in warm up I discovered (my teammates as well) that I had a wicked glove hand. Since everyone was shooting clippers from blue line I simply gave them more of glove side then saved 95% of shots. It was a warm up clinic and my team was in awe (really!).
Now the old long story short... I simply sucked. Whenever someone came in for a decent or shot close - goal. Goal. Goal. I think we lost 647 to 8 or something !!!!
And... I retired

Anyway... it was funny to be reminded of that by Binningtons play. Thanks for listening
 
Perry is far from a lock and neither is Brown. Perry has really been struggling for the past month or so. His age is showing. He can’t keep up to the quicker teams and he can’t keep up the intensity for long bouts. Asking him to play every second night is expecting way too much. Father Time catches up to everyone.

As far as Brown goes- he is rocking a 31%xGF. His shot metrics are also poor. Basically, when he is on the ice - it’s like the other team is on the powerplay. Same with Janmark. They are barely NHL players. Also- for Janmark- his effective PK is offset by how much he gives away 5v5. He is a net negative player.
I think that's what... what 4 or 5 teams said every year for the past how many at this time of year. Yet... I see his smiling, elbow protruding, stick in the nads, goalie spearing face in the SCF almost year after year.
 
Having to watch the US feed on TNT, they interviewed Brown on-ice after the game, and he was asked about Pickard stepping in after an up and down career, and Brown said 'he's kinda the heart and soul of our group, and basically we've embraced him, he plays well in front of us and we've played well in front of him and there's chemistry', to paraphrase.

Sure it sounds like a typical cliche-type answer but he could have just said he's done great stepping in for Skinner while he's been out, but he went and really praised him...
I think that’s beyond a typical cliche type answer. The players seem to gush over him every chance they get.

Cliche to me is “Skinner played great… gave us a chance to win.”
 
I think that’s beyond a typical cliche type answer. The players seem to gush over him every chance they get.

Cliche to me is “Skinner played great… gave us a chance to win.”
Or "he's been good for us all year" that kind of stuff.

They, the group in that room, seems to genuinely appreciate Calvin Pickard the person and the player.
 
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I think it’s pretty obvious who the players prefer in net.
I've never heard Draisaitl talk about Skinner the way he's talked about Pickard. Pretty telling IMO.

With that said, Skinner is going to be the starter in the playoffs. We can will Pickard starting in the playoffs into existence all we want but it doesn't change the fact that this organization has been married to Skinner as their #1 goalie and have shown no signs of divorcing the idea.
 
How can people still say this about Carlo? Walman has better numbers across the board since their trades, and he makes less and costed less to aquire. Plus, Nurse has constantly showed better with someone who can move the puck well, which doesn't fit Carlo at all. Carlo might have an extra year, but I'd bet fans would either be calling for him to be bottom pair or traded by the end of his deal, as he wouldn't fit with Nurse.

Walman might be the best move of the deadline, a 1st for an under 30 Dman signed for 3.4 for next year as well, that is pacing for 40+pts and +25 here? While playing mostly with a Dman who finding a partner for has been very difficult? Yes please, I'll take that any day of the week.

Dumoulin hasn't been anything special either, and Reimer didn't move.

Frederic shouldn't be judged until he plays some games for us and we see what he decides this offseason. If he barely plays, but then signs here for 1×2m and has 45+pts next year, would you still rather have 33yo Dumoulin for only this year? If he does nothing then f***s off, ok it's bad, but that could happen to any player we picked up.

You mean Walman has more points, right? Yes, because he's a more offensively gifted D-man. Plus/Minus is generally a bullshit stat unless there's a massive difference between certain players and the rest of the team. And Carlo is playing 20 minutes a night and has improved Toronto's D. Also, he's actually younger than Walman, has more playoff experience (and a Cup), and at his retained salary costs pretty much the same as Walman. Again, I don't want to sound like I'm shitting on Walman, just defending my opinion. And I'm sorry, but Carlo is several tiers above Cody Ceci. There's zero reason to believe he would've dragged Nurse down.

Our defense was already generating more offense than the defense of the majority of teams in the league. What we needed more was a RHD shutdown, top-4 D to reduce the chaos...especially with Ekholm currently out (and struggling post 4-nations). Look, love Walman and he's what we got now, but he wasn't the perfect solution.

And just because someone wasn't moved doesn't mean they were not available. Reimer is a pending UFA. He could've been had for peanuts, or for Rodrigue.

Dumoulin would be a hell of a lot better than Emberson and Klingberg and it's not even a discussion. And honestly, Stecher has been punching above his weight for the last little while, but Dumoulin would be more valuable in the playoffs, where the big boys dominate. He was playing top-4 minutes for the resurgent Ducks post-4 Nations and has two Cups. And unlike Frederic, at least he could've played some regular season games and actually helped us win some. And I'm not judging Frederic the player, I'm judging Fredric the injured player (and an overpaid AHLer in Jones) who was acquired at a retained salary for the sole asset we had from losing Broberg.

Also, your presumed salary and production for Frederic doesn't seem right. Frederic never had more than 40 points in a season, and we're already seeing a player who was more offensively gifted in Arvidsson slumping hard under this coach. And he still might sign elsewhere.
 
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I've never heard Draisaitl talk about Skinner the way he's talked about Pickard. Pretty telling IMO.

With that said, Skinner is going to be the starter in the playoffs. We can will Pickard starting in the playoffs into existence all we want but it doesn't change the fact that this organization has been married to Skinner as their #1 goalie and have shown no signs of divorcing the idea.
I don’t agree. I believe it’s more up in the air than people like the GYB guys think. If Pickard plays well all the way until the end of the season I think the Oilers just continue to roll with him.
 
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I don’t agree. I believe it’s more up in the air than people like the GYB guys think. If Pickard plays well all the way until the end of the season I think the Oilers just continue to roll with him.
I'd be shocked. I hope you're right because it's pretty clear that the team has a different energy in front of Pickard but I fully believe they think Skinner is THE guy. Kind of crazy that a career AHLer/backup NHL goalie tweener is the Oilers best choice for a Cup run but....here we are.
 
The first goal against could have sent Skinner to the press box for the rest of the season. I think he purposely took a misconduct to avoid facing the music back on the bench.
Although you want your top offensive guys to have license to be creative, that kind of turnover is something you coach out of kids at a young age... over handling the puck on the blueline in traffic - get it deep!

Broberg had a quiet effective game for the Blues. His most noticeable shift saw him handle a 1:1 situation against Hyman with ease, strip the puck and move it up the ice. NHL defensemen shoudln't get beat 1:1, but the play was impressive to see how effortlessly Broberg skated backwards and stripped the puck.
What?

On the face off-off he was punch at the back of the head. The giveaway was McDavid- not Skinner. It bounced to Skinner after it was knocked away from McDavid- it was bouncing and Skinner had like 2 guys on him. Then, when backchecking, his jersey was held. To blame any of that on Skinner is beyond ridiculous
 
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I think that's what... what 4 or 5 teams said every year for the past how many at this time of year. Yet... I see his smiling, elbow protruding, stick in the nads, goalie spearing face in the SCF almost year after year.
He didn’t play every game during the playoffs last year for the exact reasons I stated. He is now 1 year older and has really been struggling the last month keeping pace. He is too slow to backcheck (he is always down low in the offensive zone) - and when he helps out on the defensive side he is much to slow to support on offence. He can still cycle the puck really well. It’s not a knock on Perry- everyone ages
 
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He didn’t play every game during the playoffs last year for the exact reasons I stated. He is now 1 year older and has really been struggling the last month keeping pace. He is too slow to backcheck (he is always down low in the offensive zone) - and when he helps out on the defensive side he is much to slow to support on offence. He can still cycle the puck really well. It’s not a knock on Perry- everyone ages
Ok.... we will see
 
You mean Walman has more points, right? Yes, because he's a more offensively gifted D-man. Plus/Minus is generally a bullshit stat unless there's a massive difference between certain players and the rest of the team.

Our defense was already generating more offense than the defense of the majority of teams in the league. What we needed more was a RHD shutdown, top-4 D to reduce the chaos...especially with Ekholm currently out. Look, love Walman and he's what we got now, but he wasn't the perfect solution.

And just because someone wasn't moved doesn't mean they were not available. Reimer is a pending UFA. He could've been had for peanuts, or for Rodrigue.

Dumoulin would be a hell of a lot better than Emberson and it's not even a discussion. And unlike Frederic, at least he could've played some regular season games and actually helped us win some. I'm not judging Frederic the player, I'm judging Fredric the injured player (and an overpaid AHLer in Jones) who was acquired at a retained salary for the sole asset we had from losing Broberg.

Also, your presumed salary and production for Frederic doesn't seem right. And he still might sign elsewhere. Frederic never had more than 40 points in a season, and we're already seeing a player who was more offensively gifted in Arvidsson slumping hard under this coach.
No, I don't mean points. I mean across the board, like I said. Plays more minutes, has better GA, CF and CA numbers and rates, more offensive and defensive pt shares, plays against similar or tougher comps depending on who's numbers you use, and has done it with however many major players missing from the lineup the past few weeks. What evidence do you have that suggests Carlo is better?

Our production from the blueline should be top of the league with the forwards they have to pass to. Many of their points are hand it to McDrai and watch them work, they don't "generate" as much as it seems. We're also a top 10 team in xGA, so this "chaos" you speak of, really isn't effecting our GA that much when you look at the goalies we have. How has Ekholm done reducing some of the Bouchard chaos this year? Still happens all the time, so cant be that well I guess. Or maybe its sometimes on an individual, and they could have Prime Pronger beside them and he couldnt stop it from going into our net. Lots of the issues on our blueline are from guys trying too much offensively, then losing it and sending an odd man the other way. That'll happen when your partners are guys like Ceci, Emberson and Carlo whom you can't trust offensively to make a play, so Nurse, or Bouch over extend themselves. A guy like Walman can help relieve that. The best defense is a good offense, as they say.

I never once said Walman was the perfect solution. He is a hell of a lot better fit and player than Carlo though.

Jones is overpaid at a million? Cmon man, now your just whining. Completely buriable contract.

Yeah, Dumo would have been better than Emberson, for a couple months. Then we lose him, and the 2nd+3rd round Prospect they paid for him, all to upgrade on the Dman who might play 15 minutes a night in the playoffs? I'd rather take a flyer on a younger fwd with some much needed jam, especially when we don't know how Kane will look come playoffs. There is also a path to Frederic signing a cheap "prove it" deal to inflate his value beside McDrai if things go well, that is not a possibility for Dumo. I understand its a gamble and he could leave, and we end up with a few games of Frederic for a 2nd+. But the potential is there for so much more. There is zero potential with Dumo, and he is merely an upgrade on our bottom pair, which wasn't as important as adding a middle 6 fwd with Jam imo.

And judging an injured player, before he has played or before the playoffs is the problem. I don't care if he doesnt dress for another regular season game, or if Dumo would have been the best dman ever here for the RS. The regular season doesn't matter, so I'll wait to judge Frederic and the trade until we have seen it all play out.
 
I'd be shocked. I hope you're right because it's pretty clear that the team has a different energy in front of Pickard but I fully believe they think Skinner is THE guy. Kind of crazy that a career AHLer/backup NHL goalie tweener is the Oilers best choice for a Cup run but....here we are.
As much as they like him I just don’t think they have a leg to stand on.

Or do they think Skinner getting his noggin rattled will magically turn around his game? They can’t be that stupid… right?
 
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The first goal against could have sent Skinner to the press box for the rest of the season. I think he purposely took a misconduct to avoid facing the music back on the bench.
Although you want your top offensive guys to have license to be creative, that kind of turnover is something you coach out of kids at a young age... over handling the puck on the blueline in traffic - get it deep!

Broberg had a quiet effective game for the Blues. His most noticeable shift saw him handle a 1:1 situation against Hyman with ease, strip the puck and move it up the ice. NHL defensemen shoudln't get beat 1:1, but the play was impressive to see how effortlessly Broberg skated backwards and stripped the puck.

Kinda of how McDavid has been the cause of that turnover countless times this year? Or Bouchard?

Or how about Draisaitl last game, where he turned it over just like that on the neutral zone, then had one of the laziest backchecks you'll ever see. Atleast Skinner hustled to get back until he blatantly got interfered with by a jersey pull.

I know Skinner isn't on McDrai level, but he's been damn consistent this year based on usage.
One play shouldn't change that
 
As much as they like him I just don’t think they have a leg to stand on.

Or do they think Skinner getting his noggin rattled will magically turn around his game? They can’t be that stupid… right?

I would start Pickard, but would be shocked if they do. Skinner is the starting goalie in their mind, and will be the guy they go with. But with a shorter leash than last year.
 
Well if they do and the refs are terrible, over 2.5 goals every game for Skinner by the time the second period is half over, and our players will need to find 4-5 goals to win every game ugggggh
He had the worst save percentage of any goalie last playoffs and when you look back over the last at least 10 years, no team that won the cup had a goalie that bad numbers wise. It wasn’t even close. You can’t win with goaltending that bad and last year was a fluke with him in net. You probably couldn’t get to the finals again with those numbers in 100 tries if you tried to duplicate it.
 
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