Post-Game Talk: McDavid took that personally

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I dont think scratching your 10th(or 12th) best forward would be locker room focal point in playoffs.
especially if that player is a small defensively suspect winger and we are playing LA.

Chemistry with McD could be a factor if there is a such thing. Brown-McD looked like a thing last night. I dont know how many Skinner goals were assisted by McD .. Dont think there would be many.

In what way is this true? I don’t know how you could have been watching the last 3 months and come away with that conclusion. He’s a pube hair behind Hyman in points per 60. He’s 4th in goals per 60.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Why do they hate us so much? We've done nothing wrong to them.

Chiarelli is on the Blues management staff and Holland is Armstrongs best bud. There's no way in hell you can't convince me that Holland left Broberg and Holloway unsigned so Armstrong could take a run at them in the summer and gave Armstrong inside information once he wasnt under contract July 1. Hockey managers have long memories and are a vindictive bunch. Chiarelli and Holland most certainly felt slighted by the Oilers.

Jeff Jackson made a monumental mistake not just letting Holland go when he took over if he was going to leave him a dead man walking without a contract.

 

[Frank the Tank]

The first goal against could have sent Skinner to the press box for the rest of the season. I think he purposely took a misconduct to avoid facing the music back on the bench.
Although you want your top offensive guys to have license to be creative, that kind of turnover is something you coach out of kids at a young age... over handling the puck on the blueline in traffic - get it deep!

Broberg had a quiet effective game for the Blues. His most noticeable shift saw him handle a 1:1 situation against Hyman with ease, strip the puck and move it up the ice. NHL defensemen shoudln't get beat 1:1, but the play was impressive to see how effortlessly Broberg skated backwards and stripped the puck.

The Oilers also exploited Broberg's weaknesses for the 3rd game in a row - he struggles to defend back and forth between corner and net front during a cycle and also poorly covers the front of the net. His quick puck retrievals (when their is limited/no pressure) and rush defense remain his strong points. When facing pressure, he gets the yips on defensive zone clears as we saw in the first 2 games.

 

[North]

a late 1st + prospect while we gave them a 2nd +3rd for 7 mins of Frederic
In playoffs you are as good as your worst dman. Carlo may be slotted as 3RD but could still have gotten 17-20mins \ night without any PP time here. He is also not a pending UFA.

Our defense may look good when Skinner isnt in net but banking on Stecher\Kulak\Emberson might be a bit too much for a contender. Carlo was just an example, we should have picked up another RD knowing how back Klinberg's outage could be.

Frederic is going to be useful in the playoffs.

The Leafs overpaid for a declining Carlo.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The first goal against could have sent Skinner to the press box for the rest of the season. I think he purposely took a misconduct to avoid facing the music back on the bench.
Although you want your top offensive guys to have license to be creative, that kind of turnover is something you coach out of kids at a young age... over handling the puck on the blueline in traffic - get it deep!

Broberg had a quiet effective game for the Blues. His most noticeable shift saw him handle a 1:1 situation against Hyman with ease, strip the puck and move it up the ice. NHL defensemen shoudln't get beat 1:1, but the play was impressive to see how effortlessly Broberg skated backwards and stripped the puck.

Or he was pissed at himself for the turnover and getting held was the icing on the cake. Almost every single one of our players have made that giveaway at some point this season. Suggesting he was scared to face the music is beyond ridiculous.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

McDavid proving why when healthy is the clear cut MVP of the team/league. No McDavid no 2 points last night. Pickard was very good - as much as that might offend some people around here to say - Nurse was fantastic and that is the Darnell Nurse that is worth every penny. He has had a very good year for us. Was a fun game to watch.

 

[North]

Chiarelli is on the Blues management staff and Holland is Armstrongs best bud. There's no way in hell you can't convince me that Holland left Broberg and Holloway unsigned so Armstrong could take a run at them in the summer and gave Armstrong inside information once he wasnt under contract July 1. Hockey managers have long memories and are a vindictive bunch. Chiarelli and Holland most certainly felt slighted by the Oilers.

Jeff Jackson made a monumental mistake not just letting Holland go when he took over if he was going to leave him a dead man walking without a contract.

I think they wanted to keep Holland in some capacity. He didn’t want to stay though.

Chiarelli can get effed. That man left us so depleted of actual NHL talent it’s a wonder any team hired him.

He was better at drafting than Holland though.

 

[Zerotonine]

Im sure things will change come playoffs, but man this is been the hardest season to gain any interest in for some reason use to look forward to every game. Now I'm just like whatever lolol

 

[Canovin]

Shouldve given up more and traded for Carlo instead of Max Jones.

Max Jones was a throw in in the Frederic trade

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

Edmonton scoring with 20 seconds left and Calgary proceeding to choke away any hope they had for a playoff spot in the last few minutes of the game against Anaheim was amazing.

I'm not going to lie, I was nervous as hell for this. Calgary being 4 behind with 4 left and the Oilers being so beaten up they literally cannot dress a full roster would have been painful to endure.

It was also great that when I changed the channel for an Oiler ad break the Ducks scored two goals in 8 seconds to tie it up.

 

[Cloned]

It was also great that when I changed the channel for an Oiler ad break the Ducks scored two goals in 8 seconds to tie it up.

Book is starting to be out on Wolf. He’s aggressive moving laterally when facing a shooter so you shoot against the grain. Drai did it to him and Gauthier did it twice last night.

And he’s not tall so there’s room to beat him.

 

[MessierII]

The Oilers also exploited Broberg's weaknesses for the 3rd game in a row - he struggles to defend back and forth between corner and net front during a cycle and also poorly covers the front of the net. His quick puck retrievals (when their is limited/no pressure) and rush defense remain his strong points. When facing pressure, he gets the yips on defensive zone clears as we saw in the first 2 games.

Yep and our players know it. The rest of the league will figure it out soon enough. This playoffs I think he’ll get exposed a little bit.

 

[Jarvi]

Chiarelli is on the Blues management staff and Holland is Armstrongs best bud. There's no way in hell you can't convince me that Holland left Broberg and Holloway unsigned so Armstrong could take a run at them in the summer and gave Armstrong inside information once he wasnt under contract July 1. Hockey managers have long memories and are a vindictive bunch. Chiarelli and Holland most certainly felt slighted by the Oilers.

Jeff Jackson made a monumental mistake not just letting Holland go when he took over if he was going to leave him a dead man walking without a contract.

What inside information could he have possibly given? This is tinfoil hat nonsense.

Fans could see we were cash strapped, I think the offersheet scenario was even a doomer prophecy by someone here, and most laughed it off. Obviously other managers knew too. Then you have the fact that both guys showed well in the playoffs, and we go out and blow our wad on UFA's leaving ourselves completely exposed. Other teams were reportedly trying to get their picks back to do the same thing.

Holland is an old boomer who made millions here. Has anything came out that he was disgruntled his last year even?

The offersheets were entirely on our management's incompetence. They made it so any collusion your referring to was entirely unnecessary.

 

[CupofOil]

This

But the worst is. When people say "if you didn't have the two best players in the world you wouldn't be there good "

No shit Sherlock lol. If the Bulls didn't have Michael Jordan they don't win the titles they do. If the colts didn't have Peyton Manning to Harrison and Wayne in 06 they don't win that super bowl. If the Patriots didn't have Brady they don't win the super bowls they do

McDavid and Drai are game changers. They absolutely can take any team and make them all stars. Thankfully we have both, because if we didn't it would be a lot more painful years

Seriously.

If the Avs didn't have MacKinnon and Makar, if the Panthers didn't have Barkov and Tkachuk, if the Lightning didn't have Kucherov and Vasilevskiy. Yeah if you take the two best players off any team, they would a lot worse. In other news, water is wet and shit is brown (unless there's something wrong with you haha).

I actually thought the Oilers played pretty well without McDavid, Drai and Ekholm for that matter, or at least two of them. Beat Seattle without McDavid and Drai, played well against the Jets with no Draisaitl and Ekholm, played well against Dallas without those guys then when Drai went down, beat the Flames without McDavid and Ekholm, beat the Knights without McDavid and Ekholm, beat the Sharks without all of them, kept it close against L.A., dominated a lot of the Anaheim game without them and beat the Blues without Draisaitl and Ekholm. Not too bad

 

[9GWG9]

Or he was pissed at himself for the turnover and getting held was the icing on the cake. Almost every single one of our players have made that giveaway at some point this season. Suggesting he was scared to face the music is beyond ridiculous.

That part of the game from the face off to the goal was complete BS!

Crosscheck to the back of the head during the faceoff and then the hold on the jersey going up the ice just proves that the league is nowhere near our corner.

 

[nally]

Just a side comment but its kind of hilarious now how they blow up these big huge Measles virus similar to how they did with Covid just trying to get people to freak out about it. The News now is all about blowing everything up, literally, as if its existential threat. Big huge splashes of giant Measles virus on the news.

Before Covid, and it started around SARS, then Avian Flu and Hog Flu and whatever else it seems like this Millennium has been a lot about inflating the dangers.

They should make a new space invaders game with Virii.... blow those suckers up.

When people are scared, they are more compliant. 'Nuff said

 

[bucks_oil]

You think Skinner has been the 10-12 best forward? Might want to check your math on that one.

The focal point will be him in his first playoffs. You can 1000% bet his teamates will be rallying for him.

Skinner isn't suspect defensively. That is a myth. He has been making good d plays for months now. Just like they said he doesn't forcheck well....except every game he stands out with some key forchecks.

He's also been one of our most consistent forwards

I agree with this...

Younger Skinner, just like younger anyone, was always cheating for offense, but older Skinner isn't fast enough or shifty enough to generate offense unless it's from forcing turnovers and using his brain.

He's a smart player who has finally learned how to wire himself for counterpunch offense which of course requires solid enough defense to get the puck back.

 

[tardigrade81]

Seriously.

If the Avs didn't have MacKinnon and Makar, if the Panthers didn't have Barkov and Tkachuk, if the Lightning didn't have Kucherov and Vasilevskiy. Yeah if you take the two best players off any team, they would a lot worse. In other news, water is wet and shit is brown (unless there's something wrong with you haha).

I actually thought the Oilers played pretty well without McDavid, Drai and Ekholm for that matter, or at least two of them. Beat Seattle without McDavid and Drai, played well against the Jets with no Draisaitl and Ekholm, played well against Dallas without those guys then when Drai went down, beat the Flames without McDavid and Ekholm, beat the Knights without McDavid and Ekholm, beat the Sharks without all of them, kept it close against L.A., dominated a lot of the Anaheim game without them and beat the Blues without Draisaitl and Ekholm. Not too bad

Well said. Completely agree.

I cant imagine if LA bears us in the first round the party days the main boards will have.

 

[bucks_oil]

Chiarelli is on the Blues management staff and Holland is Armstrongs best bud. There's no way in hell you can't convince me that Holland left Broberg and Holloway unsigned so Armstrong could take a run at them in the summer and gave Armstrong inside information once he wasnt under contract July 1. Hockey managers have long memories and are a vindictive bunch. Chiarelli and Holland most certainly felt slighted by the Oilers.

Jeff Jackson made a monumental mistake not just letting Holland go when he took over if he was going to leave him a dead man walking without a contract.

interesting angle, hadn't considered the Holland-Armstrong relationship

 

[bucks_oil]

What inside information could he have possibly given? This is tinfoil hat nonsense.

Fans could see we were cash strapped, I think the offersheet scenario was even a doomer prophecy by someone here, and most laughed it off. Obviously other managers knew too. Then you have the fact that both guys showed well in the playoffs, and we go out and blow our wad on UFA's leaving ourselves completely exposed. Other teams were reportedly trying to get their picks back to do the same thing.

Holland is an old boomer who made millions here. Has anything came out that he was disgruntled his last year even?

The offersheets were entirely on our management's incompetence. They made it so any collusion your referring to was entirely unnecessary.

Also true...

"Inside" information is probably a stretch, but knowing what number it would take for Holloway and Broberg to sign would be enough to provide an advantage... certainly Holland would have known those numbers.

but you are right... I am sure there were a few managers licking their chops when we signed Skinner... writing was on the wall from then onward. Even the media was reporting on the exposure. It was literally a rookie move to leave *just enough* to sign them both, completely ignoring that we were inviting a third party to entirely change the dynamics of that negotiation.

 

[Stoneman89]

Heckuva hockey game, very entertaining. Brown and Arvidsson getting hot at the right time, and Connor showing no signs of rust. Blues top line is really good, Thomas is a good one.

Corrected for you.

 

[subnet]

Its not about it being dismissed. Its about these things being inflated to existential threats since around 2000. Remember Y2K. Its around the time that News just saw it as their ticket to inflate massive freak out about everything.

Thinking about it, I think you may be right with the Y2K stuff being the start, and how it was just a non-stop barrage of fear mongering. I was and still am in IT and yes it was 'big' but boy was it ever blown out of proportion. Ever since then, it's just one thing after the other. Sometimes we get a break of a few months or more, but then the next thing comes out and it's the same all over again.

The only other 'big deal' was when the Gulf war started and the 24x7 coverage by CNN which was a new thing at the time. Of course, a war is different than a potential/possible big thing coming, or an emerging or ongoing outbreak of 'something'.

 

[GMofOilers]

Pickard is now only 3 wins behind Skinner on the year despite playing 50% less games

 

[McFlyingV]

Pickard is now only 3 wins behind Skinner on the year despite playing 50% less games

Team plays better in front of him because they're not afraid every shot will go in.

 

[FlameChampion]

Chiarelli is on the Blues management staff and Holland is Armstrongs best bud. There's no way in hell you can't convince me that Holland left Broberg and Holloway unsigned so Armstrong could take a run at them in the summer and gave Armstrong inside information once he wasnt under contract July 1. Hockey managers have long memories and are a vindictive bunch. Chiarelli and Holland most certainly felt slighted by the Oilers.

Jeff Jackson made a monumental mistake not just letting Holland go when he took over if he was going to leave him a dead man walking without a contract.

I’m just guessing that Jackson thought he could low ball them. He probably knew that Broberg offer sheet was a possibility (especially with him requesting a trade). The team probably didn’t really care to be honest. I do think Holloway teaming up with Broberg to put them in a bad spot probably blindsided them. I’m sure he would of liked a do over to deal with Holloway prior to signing Arviddson/Skinner with hindsight. But I think when both signed the offer sheet, their fate was sealed. I doubt they expected this breakout from Holloway as well. I don’t think Holland played a role personally.