McDavid surpasses Ovechkin in all time playoff points

[ReturnOfTheDrai]

And if he doesn't your take would be absurd right?

Heck McDavid has by far the better peak, prime, 10 year period, playoff resume and it's the "but his team didn't win the SC, so this guy over here who won a SC but never got past the second round ever again is better all time?" card?

It's just such a weak an illogical argument that doesn't make any sense right?

I Honestly I really wonder how serious this "he has to win a SC thing" is with people or it's just a let's be contrarian thing that isn't well thought out?

Exactly, McDavid has already done more to will his team to a cup than Ovechkin ever has. Factors such as underperforming lines, goaltending, and historically a good opponent has stopped him from having the same amount of cups as Ovi. When the gap in preformance is this large, you pick the better player over someone who has won the cup.

 

[greatwhitenorth]

And if he doesn't your take would be absurd right?

Heck McDavid has by far the better peak, prime, 10 year period, playoff resume and it's the "but his team didn't win the SC, so this guy over here who won a SC but never got past the second round ever again is better all time?" card?

It's just such a weak an illogical argument that doesn't make any sense right?

I Honestly I really wonder how serious this "he has to win a SC thing" is with people or it's just a let's be contrarian thing that isn't well thought out?

You got it. With the trash talkers the goal posts will never stop moving.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Exactly, McDavid has already done more to will his team to a cup than Ovechkin ever has. Factors such as underperforming lines, goaltending, and historically a good opponent has stopped him from having the same amount of cups as Ovi. When the gap in preformance is this large, you pick the better player over someone who has won the cup.

I'm not criticizing anyone taking McDavid.

But isn't this a bit much? We are talking about the best scorer in NHL history. Three Hart trophies, CS, Art Rosses, several richard trophies.

 

[pi314]

I'm not criticizing anyone taking McDavid.

But isn't this a bit much? We are talking about the best scorer in NHL history. Three Hart trophies, CS, Art Rosses, several richard trophies.

I don’t care if a player scores 2000 goals if the other team scores 2001.

He hasn’t even been on the ice for more goals than against (+3).

You can’t spell overrated without OV.

 

[VaporTrail]

And Draisatl is only 7 points behind Ovie...same amount of games played too as McDavid...Not too much difference between McDavid and Draisatl really

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

And Draisatl is only 7 points behind Ovie...same amount of games played too as McDavid...Not too much difference between McDavid and Draisatl really

I think it is going to take McDavid moving teams for Draisaitl to truly get the appreciation he deserves. If they stay together for the next decade, he'd always get credit for being elite but with the caveat that he was playing alongside one of the best players of all time.

 

[Greatzsky 99]

149p now, 106 assists
top 50 all time assists in SCF etc etc

ESP

 

[gtrower]

Ovi and McDavid are similar tier players. However, McDavid needs a cup to surpass Ovechkin on the all time greatest players list imo.

I’m not debating where they rank with respect to each other, but the idea of a guy needing a cup to pass another guy after he just won a Smythe the previous season is a little ridiculous. Counting Cups to rate guys against each other in a sport like hockey in an era with this many teams is illogical IMHO.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Lol. The 06 Oilers smashed through literally the same Red Wings team like a rented mule because they were physical. You think the Panthers wouldn't be able to ? The difference between those teams and this Florida team is that the Panthers are much more physical in your face, hitting, grinding non stop, with a much better goalie and deeper team. Younger, faster. A 21 year old Crosby isnt doing shit against them. The Caps literally never made it out of the 2nd round in OVs entire career then found lightning in a bottle 1 year. Had they met this Panthers team.. it would have been lights out.

"Literally the same Red Wings team"

Sure if the meanings of words don't matter, they were literally the same team.

 

[Midnight Judges]

He hasn’t even been on the ice for more goals than against (+3).

Your post demonstrates severe confusion.

 

[ReturnOfTheDrai]

149p now, 106 assists
top 50 all time assists in SCF etc etc

ESP
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I’ll tell legends of 20’ Brayden Point to my grandchildren. Seriously how is he second all time ESP

 

[Greatzsky 99]

McDavids point production is absurd
31,75 p last 4 seasons, that would be 30th all time in a single season.
then this series isnt over and he could have played 3 series
more the first 2 years.

we have to take a step back and appriciate this legend and Drai, incredible PO
performers

 

[authentic]

I’ll tell legends of 20’ Brayden Point to my grandchildren. Seriously how is he second all time ESP

He was better than Kucherov that year, but still surprising seeing him there.

These playoff stats aren’t surprising for McDavid compared to Ovechkin either, they’re different levels of player.

McDavid in the playoffs is Gretzky and Lemieux level, if not better.

Gretzky 158.3
McDavid 156.6
Lemieux 151
Draisaitl 148.7
Howe 147.5
Esposito 145.8
Forsberg 134.6
Jagr 134.1
Kucherov 132
Crosby 131.9

That’s adjusted points to 1984 level of defense Gretzky faced in the playoffs, best consecutive 70 games in the playoffs. Of course McDavid has only played 74 playoff games total so it’s insane he ranks that high.!!

(He had only played 74 playoff games when I quoted this post)

 

[Greatzsky 99]

McDavids point production is absurd
31,75 p last 4 seasons, that would be 30th all time
then this series isnt over and he could have played 3 series
more the first 2 years.

 

[ReturnOfTheDrai]

McDavids point production is absurd
31,75 p last 4 seasons, that would be 30th all time
then this series isnt over and he could have played 3 series
more the first 2 years.

It’s a shame we haven’t seen 2018-2020 McDavid in the playoffs. He was the best ESP producer by quite a lager margin during those years, which I’m sure would’ve translated very well in the playoffs.

 

[stewy04]

It kinda helps when Crosby has not made the playoffs in 3 years, probably 5 when McDavid passes him. Not to mention Sullivan could not get his team past the 1st round or hell, even the tryins over Montreal. Let's not forget Drai was used as his linemate when Malkin did not get used as a wing like Drai.

Drai will be passing crosby then too. On his own line.

 

[stewy04]

Datsyuk would shut down both McDavid and Drai. He was that good. Then add in Hossa, Zetterberg and others. Wings were built like a dynasty back then.

Know one shuts him down for long.

 

[stewy04]

Datsyuk would shut down both McDavid and Drai. He was that good. Then add in Hossa, Zetterberg and others. Wings were built like a dynasty back then.

Know one shuts him down for long.

Datsyuk won the selke 10x in his career and he was many levels above Barkov. Are you kidding me with your comparison? He would Deke out McDavid out of his jockstrap. It wasn't just Datsyuk who was great defensively, add in Lidstrom, Hossa, Zetterberg etc. Then you had Franzen, Kronwall and others in terms of depth. Same thing with Chicago Blackhawks who had so much depth and so many great defensive players and gamers. Both of those teams had stacked defense. Oilers would not be able to beat those teams at their peak but keep proving your recency bias.

 

[stewy04]

Datsyuk won the selke 10x in his career and he was many levels above Barkov. Are you kidding me with your comparison? He would Deke out McDavid out of his jockstrap. It wasn't just Datsyuk who was great defensively, add in Lidstrom, Hossa, Zetterberg etc. Then you had Franzen, Kronwall and others in terms of depth. Same thing with Chicago Blackhawks who had so much depth and so many great defensive players and gamers. Both of those teams had stacked defense. Oilers would not be able to beat those teams at their peak but keep proving your recency bias.

But Gretzky wouldn't have to deke him out after Messier elbowed him out of the game! Let go back even further in time to make no real point about how good McDavid is lol.

 

[66-30-33]

Drai will be passing crosby then too. On his own line.

Yeah but only McDavid is better of the 2. They also benefit by having eachother on the same line most of the time.

 

[wetcoast]

I think it is going to take McDavid moving teams for Draisaitl to truly get the appreciation he deserves. If they stay together for the next decade, he'd always get credit for being elite but with the caveat that he was playing alongside one of the best players of all time.

Draisaitl doesn't need it as most of the people making arguments against him just don't seem to understand how good he is already and then completely overlook how well he plays when McDavid is out of the lineup.

Or bring up his "poor play" when he was obviously playing injured?

Can't change the mind of people with a built in bias of agenda can you?

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Not surprised, McDavid’s been phenomenal in the playoffs and the Oilers have always been a high scoring team in the playoffs. The Caps played so many playoff games against the Rangers, and those were usually 2-1 final scores lol.