Blue Jays Discussion: Maybe guys are starting to turn it around.
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Canada4Gold
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Eyedea
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Spin rate, speed differential, elevated fastball, new (and good) cutter, one of the best change ups in the game...
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AA had to give similar interviews last year., the problem wasn't and isn't Gibbons.
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first off, advanced stats people are not idiots. secondly, advanced stats people liked Estrada last year so buddys comment has no merit
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AllDay28
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AA is so overrated it hurts. 4 horrible yrs, trading most of our prospects away for 1 run and then runs off at the first sign.
we could have a rotation of Noah | Stro | Sanchez | Norris | Anyone lol
but hey, its cool we got the bat flip outta it
we could have a rotation of Noah | Stro | Sanchez | Norris | Anyone lol
but hey, its cool we got the bat flip outta it
I assume in this scenario Norris is performing well in the majors instead of getting lit up in AAA?
It's funny that you characterize it as four horrible years and then lament the prospects he gave up. You know he spent his first four years in Toronto undertaking one of the most impressive rebuilds any of us has ever seen, right? I mean... we can debate his decision to deal away those prospects, or the timing, or the specific stars he targeted, but the team's drafting and IFA record under his leadership is the only reason they had the option of making those decisions.
You couldn't have asked for more in his first four years in Toronto.
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HE.DID.NOTHING.
those 4 yrs he built up a solid farm to just trade them all away. and now were crying 50 games into a season cause we have like, 2? prospects now and a bunch of "aging old players declining" as most here put it. ... AA is awful. He's an elite scout, and bottom barrel GM. LAD is perfect for him. he can take risks with an unlimited payroll
Interesting. I was under the impression he was the GM when the team's farm system went from bottom-five to top-five leaguewide.
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damn, so were reaping the benefits of those prospects in the pros right?
I said his first four years, from the time he was hired until the day before the Marlins trade, were amazing. I specifically said everything that happened after that is debatable.
If you could go back to the day before the Marlins trade, what would you think of his tenure to that point?
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He got Donaldson. And took the Blue Jays deeper into the playoffs for the first time since... uh. Kurt Cobain was alive then.
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damn, so were reaping the benefits of those prospects in the pros right?
Aside from Syndergaard, which traded prospect devastates you at the moment?
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p.l.f.
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What do you mean by "then"... are you trying to tell me that Kurt isn't relaxing on the beaches of a remote island with Elvis, Tupac, JFK, and Michael Jackson?
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I'm honestly starting to think that these pending contracts with j.b and ee are become a distraction. to the team now
Honestly, if were still a middling 500 team by the deadline, neither will be on the team.
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Why would this be a distraction? You think a team full of veteran players gives a crap about the impending free agency of two players? These guys have all been around the block.
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honestly these 2 have been the face of this franchise for the last 5 + years. it's kinda like the impending feeling when doc.was dealt
Bad News Benning
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what is spin-rate good for exactly?
does it make the ball harder to pick up? Is that what makes Estrada's 89mph fastball so tough to hit?
does it make the ball harder to pick up? Is that what makes Estrada's 89mph fastball so tough to hit?
JS19
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Where the ball ends up in the zone depends on how much spin it has (this is why knuckleballs are frustrating, no spin-rate means its path is erratic and unpredictable). Additionally, the higher the spin-rate, the tougher it is to make contact with the ball.
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