I don't think Boston wants to do a full rebuild at this moment. They still have Pastrnak, Swayman and McAvoy to kind of head their team for the next couple of seasons and those guys are all in their primes. If Boston was interested in tearing it down completely I'm sure they'd consider it but they probably want NHL ready prospects/young players rather than prospects who are a couple of years away and picks.
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I agree. How players play in the playoffs is the most important, and Marner hasn't done too bad in that area either. He is a 0.87PPG player. Then you compare Marner to MacKinnon who is a 1.29PPG or Rantanen who is at 1.24PPG there is a big difference. But, there is always a but, Colorado has won the cup, TO hasn't, so maybe some of that difference is the team you are playing on, and some of that goes back to some best players leaving money on the table. That's where management comes in. If I remember correctly, you were blaming Utah for giving Keller his contract at the time, now it looks like a sweetheart of a deal. Marner will get top dollar from some team, not sure I would, but I would consider it.
I didn't blame AZ for giving Keller his contract. I did question why you would give a player that contract when you hold the leverage, and the AZ question was doing it 4 or 5 times. Not sure that worked out overall
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I would take a shot at Marner at 12 mill full term front loaded contract full no move for the first 3 and then 10 team no trade list.
We don't need to spend that kind of money on a winger. For those dollars or anything close to it or more than, we should spend it on a Top pairing D or a 1C/2C. Those positions are the difference makers on a team because they also have tougher D assignments then wingers. We have 2 elite scorers as wingers already, granted not Marner level.
We are still a 10 point out of the playoffs team as of now. I don't think BA should or will make a big splash for a high profile UFA, you pay top dollar. We should make that move after we are in the playoffs for a year or two and need it to get to go further in the playoffs. We need young players to get better and fill in some gaps for less money. The big UFA contract isn't something you do to make up 10-15 points to get into the playoffs.
If Marner would sign that contract he would have been signed last July by the Leafs.
And just think if we drafted BPA instead of need, we would have had Marner instead of Strome
Agreed. I’d offer Marner 12x7 but that probably wouldn’t be enough. My best guess is that unless he screws the playoffs up royally (which is a realistic possibility), Toronto will offer him 13x8 and at least one team will offer him 14x7. I would likely be okay with it if we offered him 14x7. If I were him though, and the offers on the table were 13x8 from Toronto or 14x7 to switch teams, I’d take Toronto’s offer since it’s more money over the lifetime of the contract, then again I’m not an NHL player.
My source for these numbers is that I made them up.
Hmm OEL , Dvorak has been gone a while, Chychrun was ok, Schmaltz has been ok, and Keller has been good. And the Coyotes left town. Hardly a success story
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Nobody claimed they were, GM there made major mistakes letting the Big 4 choose contracts, length of contract, and clauses. When a GM has the leverage he needs to get something out of it.
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Good. It sounds like you also agree the Leafs have not been successful.
I just wanted to make it known that while a random Leafs fan who trolled in the Zona boards for however many years and for whatever reason decided to continue to troll the team after they moved to Utah is certainly allowed to say whatever he wants, but as of now the Leafs have been equally unsuccessful as the "hardly a success story" Winnipeg / Arizona / Utah franchise
Jesus who would argue the Leafs are successful?? I'm not sure i would say equally as unsuccessful though as one team is one of wealthiest in the league and the other no longer exists but hey you do you. Really missed your BS around here.
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The Winnipeg / Arizona / Utah franchise absolutely exists, the team's in Utah. Not sure what you're on about right now or why you think you have any right to discuss what's happening "around here" (ie the Utah boards) when you're literally a fan of another team.
By the way, I think if someone were to decide to spend years of their life posting in another team's boards, I think the very last thing any reasonable person would do is repeatedly troll the team by saying things like, "the Coyotes left town. Hardly a success story" or "[my team] is one of the wealthiest in the league and [your team] no longer exists."
But like you said above, "hey you do you." Anyway for what it's worth, I did NOT miss your BS.
I return in kind what you give to me. If you haven't noticed almost all chatter here has been cordial. I don't see what gave you the need to change that.
Werenski was my choice.And just think if we drafted BPA instead of need, we would have had Marner instead of Strome
TheLegend
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Depends how whacky the offer is.
If it's $12mill x 7 then they'd definitely take 4 1sts from Utah.
If it's $9.5mill x 7 then I'm not sure if they'd want our 2 1sts , a 2nd and a 3rd.
If the compensation is any less than that then they obviously match.
TheLegend
Hangman's bookie.... always bet against him.
Biz brought the subject up the other day. Thinks Knies can get 8 x $9million.
Yes,,,,, Toronto could match but they have to get Marner signed as well and he's looking at something well north of $15 million. Even with the cap going up it's putting a lot of pressure on.
Knies is a prototype BA player.
I agree and he would fit perfectly into the 2LW hole that we currently have.
It's why I proposed the idea on this board, even before Biz mentioned it.
The reality is that offer-sheets tend to be a winners curse type of tool. We don't really want to be paying Knies more in salary than he's worth, and just to earn that right we'd be kissing multiple 1sts goodbye.
