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MavLam, Durzi or Kesselring - what do you do?

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MavLam, Durzi or Kesselring - who do you trade and why?

  • 1 - Trade Durzi in the offseason

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • 2 - Trade Durzi at the trade deadline giving MavLam another 2/3 of the year in Tucson

    Votes: 6 75.0%

  • 3 - Trade MavLam, keeping Durzi with the rise of Kesselring

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4 - Trade Kesseling, keeping Durzi

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • Total voters
    8
Dr VinnyBoombatz

Dr VinnyBoombatz

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Ok, I can't believe I'm saying this, but for me, Kesselring has passed Durzi on the depth chart so you really have to consider moving either Durzi or MavLam and go get a 2C

Because BA likes trees, I'm thinking that Durzi will be an off-season trade, because MavLam is excelling down in Tucson, and showed great promise while he was up with the big club. Do you just stick w/Durzi for 1 more year, giving MavLam another year?

In my opinion, no reason to give MavLam another year...you slot him in on the 3rd pair with Simashev and let those guys begin building chemistry together.
 
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Hey Vinny,

I haven't been watching games much this year (I tune into a 3rd period now and again), but the whole idea was that MavLam and Sima were going to be the twin towers back there. If he's doing well in Tucson (and I believe you if you say so), then no way you trade him.

If Kesselring has passed Durzi on the depth chart that's insane. I believe you, but it's still insane. Quick look at fancy stats show that Ian Cole and Kesselring have been good together -- there are so many dangers about just relying on stats without really watching the games (which I hate, but it's what I'm doing right now), but at a top level according to the fancy stats Cole and Kesselring have been a well-above average 5v5 pairing (haven't properly indexed for matchups / deployment, that would take too long).

If all of that is true... I think Durzi is the guy to trade because he's got the best name recognition. Durzi's signed thru 2028 at 6m (no idea whether that's a good contract), but prior to this year I thought he was a good 2nd pair so that number seems fair. And teams do like cost certainty so the contract length may help.

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Would Durzi and a 2nd get a good young 2C player / prospect? Probably. What about Durzi and Maccelli (I like Maccelli a lot, but doesn't seem like there's enough room for him in our top 6)? I think probably that's a pretty good package.

I do agree that roster construction-wise this roster does need a 2C unless you think Hayton or McBain will get there -- Hayton's not terrible in that spot but I think if you actually get a legitimate pass first center for Guenther, maybe Guenther gets to 40-50 goals and then the team has legit secondary scoring and is obviously more dangerous. With where we're picking, you should be able to draft for a 2C though, and BA has a strong history there. So I don't know if a trade is strictly necessary -- not the worst idea to hold onto defensive depth -- also Ian Cole is 36 and only signed through 2026, if MavLam / Sima cook down in Tucson for an extra year that's not the worst thing ever. Also gives Hrabal a bit more time to cook as well in net.

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Anyway those my thoughts from out here without following the team all that closely. IF the D are good enough, then does Durzi + Maccelli for a young, pass first 2C make the roster better? Yeah, it probably does. But trading away D depth (which would sort of force Sima into the NHL relatively quickly) has its downsides too.

All that to say I think both options (trading or not trading one of the extra D) are good options. That's a lot of words for a non-answer! Ha

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EDIT: Imo there should also be a poll option "Keep all 3" that's what I think I would lean toward
 
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MavLam's play at the NHL level was deteriorating with every game, from what I recall. He started to look a bit under water or just barely treading. The excitement was wearing off and he was coming down. Since BA likes to cook the young guys to weIl-done I think we'll see option 2. I'd like to see MavLam at least start next season in Tucson.

I do prefer Kessel's Ring and MavLam over Durzi too, just don't want them to count their chickens before they've hatched as they say. MavLam and Simashev might end up building chemistry together in the AHL for a little while. They've got to earn their roster spot in the NHL before we move Durzi, I think. Another reason I went with option 2.

It occurs to me that both Simashev and MavLam infused into the line-up from day 1 maybe makes the D too young and inexperienced for a team committing to making the playoffs. :dunno:
 
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There's no rush to make a trade just to get MavLam a roster spot. I think Vinny is implying that there is a rush in getting a 2C upgrade.

What are some examples of C's that we could target?

Byfield for Durzi, Hayton, Maccelli and 2nd?
Beniers?
McTavish?

It seems this package is rich, but I suspect it wouldn't be enough.
 
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lanky said:
There's no rush to make a trade just to get MavLam a roster spot. I think Vinny is implying that there is a rush in getting a 2C upgrade.

What are some examples of C's that we could target?

Byfield for Durzi, Hayton, Maccelli and 2nd?
Beniers?
McTavish?

It seems this package is rich, but I suspect it wouldn't be enough.
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and yes, you are correct...our big deficiency is a 2C...so yeah, time to go get one. Iginla is a winger, the kid we draft this year might be a C, but he's at least 3 years away, this team needs a 2C now, not 3yrs from now, so something has to be done and our biggest strength right now is the young forwards, which I wouldn't trade or one of our RHD
 
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...Shane Pinto for Kesselring, is 1 that I thought was fair. Hoping UtHC can find a 2C with futures!
Mangosteen said:
We could of had Cozens as our number 2 but someone was asleep at the phone.
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But doesn't it increase the possibility of acquiring Pinto?

Morgan Geekie intrigues me. RFA, 1 year to UFA! Vilardi has 2 years before becoming UFA.
 
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I think there should be a focus on finding the right fit for 2LW. This season we had five top six forwards. It's hard to blame Hayton when he hasn't had a decent LW to work with.

In a couple years it's the obvious spot for Iginla. I thought Maccelli could keep the spot warm but Tourigny disagrees. I think Crouse, McBain and Doan should be cemented together as our 3rd line forever. So either But comes in and steals the spot or Bill finds a new body. Finding a new body might actually lock But and Iginla out of decent spots in the lineup for too long though.

So my thought is to do nothing.

Keller Cooley Schmaltz
But Hayton Guenther
Crouse McBain Doan
Kerfoot Stenlund Raddysh

Sergachev Marino
Maatta Kesselring
Simashev Durzi
 
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I don't like the idea of moving Durzi during the offseason, unless it's for a clear upgrade at 2C. Let MavLam and Sima baked in the AHL for another 2/3 of a season and then see where we're at.

Some of Durzi's lackluster play this season can be attributed to his injury. He's going to end up missing 50 games with the bad shoulder, I wonder if it's still affecting his play in some way because he's forced his way back to try and help the team get into the playoffs.

The first question that needs to get answered; does Jack Eichel sign an extension with Vegas this summer or not? If he doesn't, I could see BA playing the waiting game to offer him a boatload of money next summer in hopes that Eichel can lockdown the 1C for another couple of seasons and let Cooley take the easier matchups at 2C.
 
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PainForShane said:
Hey Vinny,

I haven't been watching games much this year (I tune into a 3rd period now and again), but the whole idea was that MavLam and Sima were going to be the twin towers back there. If he's doing well in Tucson (and I believe you if you say so), then no way you trade him.

If Kesselring has passed Durzi on the depth chart that's insane. I believe you, but it's still insane. Quick look at fancy stats show that Ian Cole and Kesselring have been good together -- there are so many dangers about just relying on stats without really watching the games (which I hate, but it's what I'm doing right now), but at a top level according to the fancy stats Cole and Kesselring have been a well-above average 5v5 pairing (haven't properly indexed for matchups / deployment, that would take too long).

If all of that is true... I think Durzi is the guy to trade because he's got the best name recognition. Durzi's signed thru 2028 at 6m (no idea whether that's a good contract), but prior to this year I thought he was a good 2nd pair so that number seems fair. And teams do like cost certainty so the contract length may help.

***

Would Durzi and a 2nd get a good young 2C player / prospect? Probably. What about Durzi and Maccelli (I like Maccelli a lot, but doesn't seem like there's enough room for him in our top 6)? I think probably that's a pretty good package.

I do agree that roster construction-wise this roster does need a 2C unless you think Hayton or McBain will get there -- Hayton's not terrible in that spot but I think if you actually get a legitimate pass first center for Guenther, maybe Guenther gets to 40-50 goals and then the team has legit secondary scoring and is obviously more dangerous. With where we're picking, you should be able to draft for a 2C though, and BA has a strong history there. So I don't know if a trade is strictly necessary -- not the worst idea to hold onto defensive depth -- also Ian Cole is 36 and only signed through 2026, if MavLam / Sima cook down in Tucson for an extra year that's not the worst thing ever. Also gives Hrabal a bit more time to cook as well in net.

***

Anyway those my thoughts from out here without following the team all that closely. IF the D are good enough, then does Durzi + Maccelli for a young, pass first 2C make the roster better? Yeah, it probably does. But trading away D depth (which would sort of force Sima into the NHL relatively quickly) has its downsides too.

All that to say I think both options (trading or not trading one of the extra D) are good options. That's a lot of words for a non-answer! Ha

***

EDIT: Imo there should also be a poll option "Keep all 3" that's what I think I would lean toward
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There will be 3-5 roster changes next year. Who they are is anyone's guess as BA resigned most of the vets for at least another year.
 
Hogan20 said:
I don't like the idea of moving Durzi during the offseason, unless it's for a clear upgrade at 2C. Let MavLam and Sima baked in the AHL for another 2/3 of a season and then see where we're at.

Some of Durzi's lackluster play this season can be attributed to his injury. He's going to end up missing 50 games with the bad shoulder, I wonder if it's still affecting his play in some way because he's forced his way back to try and help the team get into the playoffs.

The first question that needs to get answered; does Jack Eichel sign an extension with Vegas this summer or not? If he doesn't, I could see BA playing the waiting game to offer him a boatload of money next summer in hopes that Eichel can lockdown the 1C for another couple of seasons and let Cooley take the easier matchups at 2C.
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With BA signing all his regular vets on D, I would think that means he doesn't think any kids are available yet for full time NHL play. That could change at training camp though.
 
Schemp said:
...Shane Pinto for Kesselring, is 1 that I thought was fair. Hoping UtHC can find a 2C with futures!

But doesn't it increase the possibility of acquiring Pinto?

Morgan Geekie intrigues me. RFA, 1 year to UFA! Vilardi has 2 years before becoming UFA.
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What's so hot about Pinto? I sure in hell wouldn't trade Kesselring for him.
 
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Dr VinnyBoombatz said:
and yes, you are correct...our big deficiency is a 2C...so yeah, time to go get one. Iginla is a winger, the kid we draft this year might be a C, but he's at least 3 years away, this team needs a 2C now, not 3yrs from now, so something has to be done and our biggest strength right now is the young forwards, which I wouldn't trade or one of our RHD
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Who do you want as our 2C?
 
I'm all in on the Eichel deal! :laugh:

I laugh, but this isn't the same ol' Yotes and Utah seems to have fans that want to be there, would be wise to keep 'em engaged and this would do it..... stranger things have happened.
 
Dr VinnyBoombatz said:
Well, if it's not via UFA and we have to trade for a guy...I'd probably go Maccelli for Morgan Geekie straight up
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I watch as many Boston games as anyone on this Forum, I'd be cautious with Geekie.

He's a fantastic complementary player but he really needs a driver to make him go. And even so, he's more suited for a depth scoring role than anywhere near the Top 6 C role. He's doing a fantastic job finding the quiet areas and being fed pucks by Pasta/Zacha right now and he has a great one-timer that's contributing to his goal scoring ability.
 
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He's just another low end 2C that we wouldn't have to pay a whole lot for...plus, he plays the game really hard, which is what the team also needs...so I'd be fine w/him until some of our up & coming kids can take over the 2C spot from him.

I'd probably stay away from the 30+ 2Cs on the UFA market, because I think you'd have to spend too much and disrupt the pay scale on the team.
 
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Hogan20 said:
I watch as many Boston games as anyone on this Forum, I'd be cautious with Geekie.

He's a fantastic complementary player but he really needs a driver to make him go. And even so, he's more suited for a depth scoring role than anywhere near the Top 6 C role. He's doing a fantastic job finding the quiet areas and being fed pucks by Pasta/Zacha right now and he has a great one-timer that's contributing to his goal scoring ability.
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Thx for that.

Imo, we'd ideally look to get a player who could help Guenther ie someone who has vision and can pass the puck. The Adam Oates to our Brett Hull, the Nicky Backstrom / Kuzy for our Ovechkin equivalent, the Mitch Marner for our AM34. And no, I'm not saying we should expect Guenther to be as good as any of those players, but the idea is the same -- he's a goal scorer so ideally his center should naturally be pass-first.

And to be clear I... don't know who that player would be. But imo that's the type of 2C we'd be looking for esp if we're giving up assets like Hayton and / or Durzi (and / or a different D) and / or draft picks
 
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