Maurice vindicated?

[tbcwpg]

Like I said before, Bob was amazing against the Leafs and Canes and the Panthers won 8 games to 1. If Bob was not amazing (but not .786 goaltending lol), do the Panthers beat the Canes and Leafs? Quite possibly.

I think beating the 65-win Bruins with average goaltending was a phenomenal accomplishment.

They got average goaltending until they were down 3-1 and then they took advantage of bad Bruins goaltending in the last 3 games. I think that Bobrovsky save on the Marchand breakaway right at the end of regulation in Game 7 will be a Playoff Moment(TM), though. I've said Maurice did some things that certainly helped his team win. It was Tkachuk and Bobrovsky mostly.

Then when you get to Toronto and Carolina, I watched all those games and no, I don't believe the Panthers win those series without Bob the God. Each game had a long period of time where the Panthers were hemmed in and Bob bailed them out. They pulled the Homer the boxer strategy of letting the other team punch themselves out until they were tired and then pushed them over.

That's not a shot at Maurice. I think he did a decent job. I don't think it makes him some brilliant mind either. He's a good hockey coach, that's it. I don't get the idea we have to think he's either garbage or the second coming of Scotty Bowman.

 

[scelaton]

Can’t we just be happy for Maurice and a great season and rejuvenation of his love of coaching?
No vindication not sure why that’s even a thing?

Like you, I'm happy for Maurice. Period.

As for vindication, seems it's mostly Guffman trying to vindicate himself.

 

[Al Camino]

Coaches have limited overall impact. This is the NHL. ALL the coaches at this level are pretty damn good at their jobs. ALL the players have had years and years of hockey experience and need little in the way of real coaching. If you make a coaching change, it's not really about getting rid of a garbage coach and bringing in a genius. You aren't going from a 20% impact to a 30% impact by making a coaching change. You're going from a 2% to a 3% impact if that. It's about changing the voice...shaking up the mix...whatever other intangible thing you can think of. Most coaches don't last 5 years in their job let alone 8 or 9. It was beyond time for a change here. It just would have been better if the move had been more of a statement move by the org rather than the weak-sauce situation that did occur with the coach himself making the move.

I wonder how many extra wins a good coach gets for his team and loses a bad coach accounts for? I think your right that it's probably in that range.

 

[Flair Hay]

Idk maybe try playing better in front of him? not getting hemmed in their zone for minutes at a time or giving up multiple odd man rushes... you know better defense and not having to have bob go super human like he did in the previous series... don't need deep insight at all, just need to watch the game and realize that vegas was the far better team

I am not delusional about Maurice, but this indirectly gets at the issue a lot of us have with him not being given any credit:

If he is responsible for the team not playing well in front of the goalie... is he not also responsible for when the team playing well in front of the goalie, allowing him to play his best and keep the puck out?

Not directed at you, just a rant based off what I've seen from some detractors.

Doesn't mean it wasn't time to move on in Winnipeg. Just that maybe it isn't just "snake oil" he is pitching to players, as folks like to say sometimes.

I wonder how many extra wins a good coach gets for his team and loses a bad coach accounts for? I think your right that it's probably in that range.

I think the best coaches seperate themselves more come playoff time. Where you play the same team every 2nd night and not a different one on differing days of rest. Adjustments become huge.

Of course they need the talent to be able to execute the game plan. Having more than the other team makes strategizing easier, that's for sure...

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

Paul Maurice dropping truth bombs again that sound like subtle jabs at the Jets dressing room.

Im being a bit facetious here, but every time he gloats about the Florida dressing room and GM, you cant help but notice the contrast between his post game comments today versus 2 years ago..

 

[kanadalainen]

Can’t we just be happy for Maurice and a great season and rejuvenation of his love of coaching?
No vindication not sure why that’s even a thing?

 

[tbcwpg]

Paul Maurice dropping truth bombs again that sound like subtle jabs at the Jets dressing room.

Im being a bit facetious here, but every time he gloats about the Florida dressing room and GM, you cant help but notice the contrast between his post game comments today versus 2 years ago..

To be fahhhhhr, it's a lot easier to reminisce positively about a season where you outperformed expectations and had a magical run to a Cup final where you ran out of gas than getting swept in the 2nd round in front of 250 fans after your top C took a 4 game sussy.

 

[JetsFan815]

Expecting any team or coach to outperform the sub .800 goal tending is not being realistic, that is not even counting Vegas being on an absolute PDO bender late in playoffs.

Great performance by the Panthers all things considered.

People can say what they want but no will change my view esp after these playoffs that the main problem with the Jets was the players and not the coach. (That is not to say I am absolving Maurice but his role in things here was much smaller than many here were claiming).

 

[gojetsgo]

Expecting any team or coach to outperform the sub .800 goal tending is not being realistic, that is not even counting Vegas being on an absolute PDO bender late in playoffs.

Great performance by the Panthers all things considered.

People can say what they want but no will change my view esp after these playoffs that the main problem with the Jets was the players and not the coach. (That is not to say I am absolving Maurice but his role in things here was much smaller than many here were claiming).

I guess it doesn't matter how the team plays in front of the goalie...

 

[surixon]

To be fahhhhhr, it's a lot easier to reminisce positively about a season where you outperformed expectations and had a magical run to a Cup final where you ran out of gas than getting swept in the 2nd round in front of 250 fans after your top C took a 4 game sussy.

He was pretty bullish on our room to for years. Much to do about nothing imo.

 

[Al Camino]

Paul Maurice dropping truth bombs again that sound like subtle jabs at the Jets dressing room.

Im being a bit facetious here, but every time he gloats about the Florida dressing room and GM, you cant help but notice the contrast between his post game comments today versus 2 years ago..

Wait until Wheeler signs there after his buyout.

 

[JetsFan815]

I guess it doesn't matter how the team plays in front of the goalie...

My point is that you can't expect anything good to happen when the goaltending is that putrid. I am not saying Florida was better, Vegas was clearly the better team but Florida had a lot of key injuries to Tkachuk/Ekblad playing against a fully healthy VGK roster.

 

[Al Camino]

To be fahhhhhr, it's a lot easier to reminisce positively about a season where you outperformed expectations and had a magical run to a Cup final where you ran out of gas than getting swept in the 2nd round in front of 250 fans after your top C took a 4 game sussy.

Or crapped out in 6 and managed 10 shots, or didn't make it our of a qualification round.

Now I'm getting flashbacks.

 

[gojetsgo]

My point is that you can't expect anything good to happen when the goaltending is that putrid. I am not saying Florida was better, Vegas was clearly the better team but Florida had a lot of key injuries to Tkachuk/Ekblad playing against a fully healthy VGK roster.

and my point is how the team played in front of him had a major impact on his putrid save%

 

[LowLefty]

Your team got manhandles Mo - but then again, your team was never supposed to be there to begin with.
Also sounds like the players are behind you and obviously gave it their all -
Nice work

Vindicated? Who knows, wo cares - I'm sure you don't.

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[AlphaLackey]

It's easy to credit the coach when things go well and the goalie is playing out his mind, and say it's not his fault when things don't go well.

It's the only intelligent thing about hockey Don Cherry ever said.

and my point is how the team played in front of him had a major impact on his putrid save%

At the time Vegas scored their first goal, it still only gave them about 0.5xG; when they scored their second, about 1.5xG. For the entire part of the game that mattered, he was below expectation.

Remember, a big part of what made Bob's first-three-round-highroll so insane precisely was because of the putrid defence in front of him. Dude wasn't just sucking out on the river, he was doing it with two-outers.

 

[gojetsgo]

It's the only intelligent thing about hockey Don Cherry ever said.



At the time Vegas scored their first goal, it still only gave them about 0.5xG; when they scored their second, about 1.5xG. For the entire part of the game that mattered, he was below expectation.

Remember, a big part of what made Bob's first-three-round-highroll so insane precisely was because of the putrid defence in front of him. Dude wasn't just sucking out on the river, he was doing it with two-outers.

what? he let in more goals then a model expected? a model that only takes shot location into account? I guess we don't need to watch games anymore especially in incredible small sample sizes...

 

[AlphaLackey]

what? he let in more goals then a model expected? a model that only takes shot location into account? I guess we don't need to watch games anymore especially in incredible small sample sizes...

I'm just saying that, even normalizing for the putrid defence in front of him, he still did worse than one would expect a goalie to perform behind that putrid defence. That's a valid basis for comparison.

 

[gojetsgo]

I'm just saying that, even normalizing for the putrid defence in front of him, he still did worse than one would expect a goalie to perform behind that putrid defence. That's a valid basis for comparison.

if expected goals was a perfect model you can make that claim but it's not and it's even worse in small sample sizes

 

[AlphaLackey]

if expected goals was a perfect model you can make that claim but it's not and it's even worse in small sample sizes

It's certainly not perfect. As with all models, there's variance. Is there enough variance to suggest that 2 GA on 0.9xGA can still reasonably be expected to be statistical noise? 3 in 2.18xGA? 4 in 2.50xGA? I'd defer to the experts before saying something authoritative, but I feel confident in saying that this is a below expected performance.

Remember that even on a small sample size, one can tell what a reasonable range is for that statistical noise.

 

[robertocarlos]

His fake crying last night made me sick.

 

[Skidooboy]

watch the games, a goalie can only carry a team far

yeah I mean history shows that a goalie can only carry you to a stanley cup.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The Jets were better against Vegas than the Panthers were against Vegas. The Jets also had key injuries. So who gets vindicated?

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

To be fahhhhhr, it's a lot easier to reminisce positively about a season where you outperformed expectations and had a magical run to a Cup final where you ran out of gas than getting swept in the 2nd round in front of 250 fans after your top C took a 4 game sussy.

Oh definitely.

Its a lot like asking someone to describe why they love their wife on the night of the Honey Moon.

Versus asking them to do the same thing 10 years later during a Pandemic and an impending Divorce.

 

[Guffman]

The Jets were better against Vegas than the Panthers were against Vegas. The Jets also had key injuries. So who gets vindicated?

Blake Wheeler and his end of season presser.