Maurice vindicated?

[JetsFan815]

A lot of people are not going like this thread considering how invested many here were in laying all the Jets problems on Maurice. But it's time for a serious discussion about how much he was to blame for the Jets woes.

I will start off with @AavcoCup's table of the Jets stats pre and post Maurice, we now have a reasonable sample of games post-Maurice so it's fair to consider these metrics:



Yes there have been covid/interruptions but the point stands. The Jets don't look much better post-Maurice regardless of what metric you want to look at.

It is increasingly clear to me that Maurice was not the reason the Jets were bad this season.

As a corollary to that, this should also lead to some reflection from those who have found new 'villains' on the Jets to focus on (Scheifele, Wheeler). If people were this wrong about Maurice, how can we be sure they are right about these other players when proposing that we ship out Scheifele or demote Wheeler to the 4th line. Some food for thought.

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[Adam da bomb]

A lot of people are not going like this thread considering how invested many here were in laying all the Jets problems on Maurice. But it's time for a serious discussion about how much he was to blame for the Jets woes.

I will start off with @AavcoCup's table of the Jets stats pre and post Maurice, we now have a reasonable sample of games post-Maurice so it's fair to consider these metrics:



Yes there have been covid/interruptions but the point stands. The Jets don't look much better post-Maurice regardless of what metric you want to look at.

It is increasingly clear to me that Maurice was not the reason the Jets were bad this season.

As a corollary to that, this should also lead to some reflection from those who have found new 'villains' on the Jets to focus on (Scheifele, Wheeler). If people were this wrong about Maurice, how can we be sure they are right about these other players when proposing that we ship out Scheifele or demote Wheeler to the 4th line. Some food for thought.

How many games did Maurice have with Ehlers and how many games did Lowry have with Ehlers in the lineup? Also, does that vindicate Maurice or does it show that Lowry is also not the answer. Just because A is not right does not mean B is our best option either.

 

[Jetland162702]

Point taken. More often than not coaching changes result in a temporary boost in results (not ours) only to settle out over time. That said, I don't think posters on this board influenced Maurice's / Jets decision at all. Clearly this team has problems and something has to change but whether we blame Scheifele or Wheeler or Lowry or Huddy or Chevy or Chipman or or or, I don't think it will have much impact on what, if anything, eventually happens.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I think a couple of factors to consider, Dave has had a much harder schedule with a reduced lineup.

 

[Jimmy Hoots]

The problem has been, and always will be, the gruesome twosome : Scheifele and Wheeler.

They polarize the room, are selfish, lazy, they monopolize ice time, and willfuly block the natural change and development a healthy team needs.

Maurice was just their patsy.

You want to kill a snake, cut off the head.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

The problem has been, and always will be, the gruesome twosome : Scheifele and Wheeler.

They polarize the room, are selfish, lazy, they monopolize ice time, and willfuly block the natural change and development a healthy team needs.

Maurice was just their patsy.

You want to kill a snake, cut off the head.

Give me a break.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

The problem has been, and always will be, the gruesome twosome : Scheifele and Wheeler.

They polarize the room, are selfish, lazy, they monopolize ice time, and willfuly block the natural change and development a healthy team needs.

Maurice was just their patsy.

You want to kill a snake, cut off the head.

When did Patrik Laine start posting here?

 

[Jimmy Hoots]

When did Patrik Laine start posting here?

Patrik Laine was hated *because* he spoke the truth with directness. It's a Scandinavian thing and he was pillored for it.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Too soon.


Also, "never" is too soon for this one, IMHO.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Patrik Laine was hated *because* he spoke the truth with directness. It's a Scandinavian thing and he was pillored for it.

I don’t think there were any Jets fans that hated Patrik Laine, I’m pretty sure there were lots that hated Laine fans tho.

 

[Ducky10]

Personally don’t think 12 games is a reasonable sample to assess everything. Also don’t think everything was at the feet of Maurice, but it was increasingly clear a change needed to be made. Lowry just likely wasn’t the answer and has faced fairly significant hurdles. While Boudreau got off to a flying start in Vancouver, it cooled significantly before beating the Jets.

We had a pretty big sample with Maurice, in a variety of situations and with a variety of players. The sample with Lowry is laughably small imo.

 

[Jetsfan79]

A lot of people are not going like this thread considering how invested many here were in laying all the Jets problems on Maurice. But it's time for a serious discussion about how much he was to blame for the Jets woes.

I will start off with @AavcoCup's table of the Jets stats pre and post Maurice

A lot of people are not going like this thread considering how invested many here were in laying all the Jets problems on Maurice. But it's time for a serious discussion about how much he was to blame for the Jets woes.

I will start off with @AavcoCup's table of the Jets stats pre and post Maurice, we now have a reasonable sample of games post-Maurice so it's fair to consider these metrics:



Yes there have been covid/interruptions but the point stands. The Jets don't look much better post-Maurice regardless of what metric you want to look at.

It is increasingly clear to me that Maurice was not the reason the Jets were bad this season.

As a corollary to that, this should also lead to some reflection from those who have found new 'villains' on the Jets to focus on (Scheifele, Wheeler). If people were this wrong about Maurice, how can we be sure they are right about these other players when proposing that we ship out Scheifele or demote Wheeler to the 4th line. Some food for thought.

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Yes there have been covid/interruptions but the point stands. The Jets don't look much better post-Maurice regardless of what metric you want to look at.

It is increasingly clear to me that Maurice was not the reason the Jets were bad this season.

As a corollary to that, this should also lead to some reflection from those who have found new 'villains' on the Jets to focus on (Scheifele, Wheeler). If people were this wrong about Maurice, how can we be sure they are right about these other players when proposing that we ship out Scheifele or demote Wheeler to the 4th line. Some food for thought.

JetsFan815, your making the same mistake you made when you started a thread earlier this season about the Jets improved analytics being a good sign. It's too early. You may be right but there's NOT enough sample size. To compare a new coaches stats when about 50 percent of his games are within a 6 game losing streak is unfair. I would be interested to see how Lowry compares to an equal amount of Maurice games which also includes a 6 game losing streak.

Also, it also possible that both Maurice and Lowry are not the coach this team needs.

In the end, you may be right, but its way too premature

 

[Jack7222]

A few thoughts:

- Lowry has had a much tougher schedule and much tougher spate of injuries than Maurice had this year.

- Regardless of the above, it's too soon to judge Lowry. I doubt that many expect 12 games' worth of roster adjustments and systems play to have a super dramatic effect on results.

- Whatever is ailing the team was presided over by Maurice. Whether it's a systems issue or a culture issue or something else, it festered on Maurice' watch. No way around that, unless you think we are playing around where we deserve to be as a team and that's just our expected level... which would be pretty depressing.

- It's possible (and maybe even likely) for neither of these two coaches to be "the answer".


If you think that Maurice deserves no blame, and Wheeler deserves no blame, then where does the buck stop exactly? The only other options I see are to start going after Chevy for drafting a mediocre team (as some on this board have) or just be content with where we're at.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Another thing to consider. Was Maurice the kind of coach to take the Jets to the next level?

Players themselves were saying that they were "too conformable "

I think it's pretty clear a change was needed. What's yet to be determined if the current change is whats needed. Remember Lowry is the interim coach.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think this team was trending down with Maurice. These boards would be insufferable if Maurice was still the coach. I might never return if that happened

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Maurice needed to go either way, well he made the decision. But I think Lowry should be an AHL coach and work from there.

That being said, Vigneault should be our coach next year. Our season is pretty much going down under.

 

[Jet]

I don't think Maurice has been vindicated. Lowry has had a pretty impossible task in front of him:

Many players in covid protocol and injured
Huge interruptions to schedule
Starting mid season which is hardly ideal for bringing new ideas to the team and implementing them.

I have seen some improvements to the team since he came onboard, but I think expecting someone to fix something in 12 games under these circumstances is really unfair.

Lowry could be the wrong man for the job, but he's also stuck with the same assistants with the same tired ideas. I think it really goes to show that the HC of a team is not the sole voice or director of team performance. Many people have impact including assistants, GM, even owner in some circumstances.

I think it's logical to see what Lowry can do for the rest of the year, and go from there.

 

[Romang67]

Patrik Laine was hated *because* he spoke the truth with directness. It's a Scandinavian thing and he was pillored for it.

Ah yes, the famous Scandinavian country of Finland.

Also, what? No it isn't.

Also everything else wrong with this.

 

[Jetsfan79]

I think this team was trending down with Maurice. These boards would be insufferable if Maurice was still the coach. I might never return if that happened

Exactly. Things were getting worse like a snowball rolling down hill. Lowry is just caught in it as the ball is accelerating and getting bigger. Comparing his stats with Maurice is cherry picking at this stage

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

A lot of people are not going like this thread considering how invested many here were in laying all the Jets problems on Maurice. But it's time for a serious discussion about how much he was to blame for the Jets woes.

I will start off with @AavcoCup's table of the Jets stats pre and post Maurice, we now have a reasonable sample of games post-Maurice so it's fair to consider these metrics:



Yes there have been covid/interruptions but the point stands. The Jets don't look much better post-Maurice regardless of what metric you want to look at.

It is increasingly clear to me that Maurice was not the reason the Jets were bad this season.

As a corollary to that, this should also lead to some reflection from those who have found new 'villains' on the Jets to focus on (Scheifele, Wheeler). If people were this wrong about Maurice, how can we be sure they are right about these other players when proposing that we ship out Scheifele or demote Wheeler to the 4th line. Some food for thought.

How does Lowry suffering from the combined effects of a much lower sv% and an even lower sh% vindicate Maurice? Two very important metrics that are not closely related to coaching.

If the metrics that might be directly influenced by coaching were equally bad or worse, it would still not vindicate Maurice. It would condemn Lowry as even worse.

 

[bustamente]

Getting back to Maurice versus Lowry.....................they both suck , also we need better players

 

[JetsFan815]

If the metrics that might be directly influenced by coaching were equally bad or worse, it would still not vindicate Maurice. It would condemn Lowry as even worse.

I think you are wrong on this. If this keeps up and the Jets end the season on a disappointing note- Maurice's stock in the NHL is going to be so high with teams lining up for his services. In the eyes of the NHL Maurice would very much be vindicated. On HFBoards fans of teams looking for a coaching change will be talking about Maurice the same way Gallant/Boudreau get talked about when they didn't have a job.

 

[Orrrules]

Team defense sucks, nothing has changed there which imo is still the problem with the team. Neither Maurice or Lowry have proven they were/are the right man for the job.

 

[surixon]

I mean the last couple of games Lowry had to role with Beau in top pairing and or 2 to 3 rookie dmen. That will impact anyone's defensive metrics.

Maurice this year never had to be without his top dmen and his best suppression dmen.

Add in the caliber of schedule and its not hard to see why Lowry hasn't done amazing during this small sample.

Still way too soon to say. Lowry may not be an NHL caliber coach, doesn't mean Maurice was the best choice going forward. Also Lowry is only an interim coach. I'm sure Chevy is constructing a list of who he wants to interview for when he has a bigger pool of candidates to choose from.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Maurice’s fingerprints are all over this.
Until we clean house it will remain so.
We have a limited use spare tire on a semi trailer right now.
Maurice should have been released 3 years ago, Hellebucyk literally saved his job.