Maurice leads panthers to third straight Final

[Al Camino]

GM has easiest job in the world. Low tax and beach Have players and coaches refusing to sign in Canada and tampering to come to your team, other team's captains coming to u for peanuts, and can sign any free agent you want. Combine this with the rebuild to get barkov, ekblad, etc. And you're living the dream.

Zito also realized that the team wasn't constructed for playoff success so he made bold moves. The low tax thing definitely helps but he made some bold moves that have paid off. A lot of GMs wouldn't have done what he did. He's also constructed a roster that pretty much coach proofs it.

 

[Al Camino]

Maurice hitching the wagon to Wheeler was the problem. Having Barkov as the Captain is a big difference.

With Wheeler as the captain the Jets were too tired fighting with each other to fight the other team. Not even Matt Hendricks could stop the in fighting.... I wish I was being sarcastic. That was a real "solution" the Jets came up with. When your locker room is so bad having Bitetto on the team because he's a good chatty guy on the bench, of course he had to hit the ice once in a while and that was always a disaster. The team couldn't even focus on getting better players when they were just trying to stop the in fighting.

I'm guessing that PoMo doesn't have as much say in player personnel as he did here.

 

[roccerfeller]

I'm guessing that PoMo doesn't have as much say in player personnel as he did here.

He mentioned in his post cup media he was very burnt out. Also praised the Jets and made it clear to a reporter who was trying to get a headline

 

[Flair Hay]

Zito also realized that the team wasn't constructed for playoff success so he made bold moves. The low tax thing definitely helps but he made some bold moves that have paid off. A lot of GMs wouldn't have done what he did. He's also constructed a roster that pretty much coach proofs it.

All very good points. The equivalent of that Tkachuk trade for us would be, what, Connor + Samberg + 1st for an extended at good price, young, playoff ready, top 5 winger? Didn't look up the exact deal.

It was a ballsy trade and turned out to be golden.

 

[Buffdog]

All very good points. The equivalent of that Tkachuk trade for us would be, what, Connor + Samberg + 1st for an extended at good price, young, playoff ready, top 5 winger? Didn't look up the exact deal.

It was a ballsy trade and turned out to be golden.

That would be close

Huberdeau isn't at Connor's level but you could argue that Weegar > Samberg

Probably closer to Ehlers + Samberg + 1st?

 

[surixon]

Zito also realized that the team wasn't constructed for playoff success so he made bold moves. The low tax thing definitely helps but he made some bold moves that have paid off. A lot of GMs wouldn't have done what he did. He's also constructed a roster that pretty much coach proofs it.

True but it's easier to trade for a Tkachuk when he's one of a few markets Tkachuk told the Flames he'd sign with.

He made some great buy low trades on Bennett, and Reinhart though.

 

[raideralex99]

If you could talk to Maurice off the record about what the biggest difference between coaching the Jets and coaching the Panthers is.
One of his answers would be officiating ... the small market teams in Canada always get the short end of the stick when it comes down to the calls.

 

[raideralex99]

All very good points. The equivalent of that Tkachuk trade for us would be, what, Connor + Samberg + 1st for an extended at good price, young, playoff ready, top 5 winger? Didn't look up the exact deal.

It was a ballsy trade and turned out to be golden.

I saw a recent podcast where the talking heads said the Tkachuk trade was the turning point for the Panthers. Florida won the PT with 122 points but were swept 4-0 by Tampa. The team was missing toughness and grit. When Tkachuk joined the Panthers more players played like him ... with grit.
It's no coincidence ... his first 3 years in Florida and all 3 years the Panthers reach the SC finals.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

If you could talk to Maurice off the record about what the biggest difference between coaching the Jets and coaching the Panthers is.
One of his answers would be officiating ... the small market teams in Canada always get the short end of the stick when it comes down to the calls.

Oilers had the PP edge in three out of six games. Two others it was even. The only game where Panthers had the edge was G3 where the Oilers crashed out and seemed hellbent on breaking PIM records.

Maurice’s Panthers have also been one of the most penalized teams in the league since he took over.

Sorry, but this just comes off as whiny. You’re absolutely out to lunch if you think officiating decided this series.

 

[scelaton]

It couldn't have been us since he literally quit and walked out on the Jets mid season. It's not like he was fired or run out of town - He. Quit. On. Us.

Stanley Cup winning coach Paul Maurice does have a chance now to repeat. Winning once is a huge accomplishment. Winning back to back in the modern era puts him in elite company. Good luck, Paul.

I have never believed the bolded. More likely is, He. Quit. For. Us.

The team had stopped listening to him, the dressing room was unhealthy, but the Jets brass wouldn't pull the trigger (Loyal. To. A. Fault.) so he did them a favour.

Very happy for Paul. Period.

 

[surixon]

I have never believed the bolded. More likely is, He. Quit. For. Us.

The team had stopped listening to him, the dressing room was unhealthy, but the Jets brass wouldn't pull the trigger (Loyal. To. A. Fault.) so he did them a favour.

Very happy for Paul. Period.

Exactly. The core had tuned him out but Chipman didn't want to fire the coach.

Maurice also did it for himself as well as he wasn't enjoying coming to the rink either with this group. It was time for a change for all parties.

 

[raideralex99]

Oilers had the PP edge in three out of six games. Two others it was even. The only game where Panthers had the edge was G3 where the Oilers crashed out and seemed hellbent on breaking PIM records.

Maurice’s Panthers have also been one of the most penalized teams in the league since he took over.

Sorry, but this just comes off as whiny. You’re absolutely out to lunch if you think officiating decided this series.

I don't care about the Oilers series ... I didn't watch most of it. I just saw lots of posts and clips of Panther penalties not called and not just this year's playoffs ... last year too.
I'm going by the Jets in the playoffs year after year the calls always going against them. The odds should eventually even out right but I can't think of one where the Jets benefited from a call unless the game was out of reach.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I have never believed the bolded. More likely is, He. Quit. For. Us.

The team had stopped listening to him, the dressing room was unhealthy, but the Jets brass wouldn't pull the trigger (Loyal. To. A. Fault.) so he did them a favour.

Very happy for Paul. Period.

I mostly agree with you, but would throw in two caveats:

1. While it seemed like an altruistic move to outsiders, I have serious doubts it was processed that way in the Jets room. More likely, it was seen as a chickenshit move, quitting when the going got tough. No player would ever be forgiven for pulling the chute in the same way.

2. PoMo left that locker room in absolute shambles. I know Bowness gets mixed reviews here for his stubborn approach and player usage, but for me he did miracle work piecing that room back together; it may have stayed toxic for much longer without the right coach entering 2022-23.

 

[Flair Hay]

That would be close

Huberdeau isn't at Connor's level but you could argue that Weegar > Samberg

Probably closer to Ehlers + Samberg + 1st?

I never looked at it too closely, but didn't Huberdeau have a 100 point season or something? But yeah agreed something in that range. Two year away from UFA studs so it was a big directional change.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

That would be close

Huberdeau isn't at Connor's level but you could argue that Weegar > Samberg

Probably closer to Ehlers + Samberg + 1st?

I remember the instant reaction at the time of the trade was that it was a gross overpayment by FLA. Don’t forget, Huberdeau was coming off a 115 point season. Connor is not a bad comparable.

Still ended up being a very good trade for CGY in a low leverage situation, but FLA has obviously reaped the benefits as well.

Give Zito credit, he looks very shrewd for recognizing it was an outlier season for Huberdeau that he wouldn’t replicate anywhere else.

 

[raideralex99]

So it looks like Maurice knows how to shut down McDavid and Drasaitl no problem ... he is a perfect 3-0 against them. Swept the Oilers 4-0 as the Jets' coach and now the last two Cup finals.

 

[KingBogo]

In pro sports, winning is above all else. When you win back to back Stanley Cups, you find your name in the conversation about great coaches. Regardless of the details of how it came to be.

Vito is a genius and he has taken full advantage of Florida benefiting from being a desirable market. Marchand at the deadline was huge. Paul has done what he has needed to do after being brought aboard a President's Trophy winning lineup. Good for him - well done Paul. He is a smart guy - if you have listened to many of his pressers these two years, you will see that a lot of his comments about coaching the Panthers has been (paraphrasing here) staying out of the players way and letting them do their thing.

Maurice is a very good coach that his players love and will go to battle for. When you have a team as deep as the Panthers are that is all you need. Too funny how often he got criticized here for things far beyond his control.

 

[Heldig]

I saw a recent podcast where the talking heads said the Tkachuk trade was the turning point for the Panthers. Florida won the PT with 122 points but were swept 4-0 by Tampa. The team was missing toughness and grit. When Tkachuk joined the Panthers more players played like him ... with grit.
It's no coincidence ... his first 3 years in Florida and all 3 years the Panthers reach the SC finals.

And fit Maurice's' vision perfectly. I think - maybe - with Buff gone POMO's style was not gelling with the leaders on the team. Aside from Lowry the team is a lot soft.

On Florida, their leaders are all hard nosed, gritty guys, Tkachuk, Barkov, Bennett, Ekblad.

 

[JetsFan815]

It is now clear that Maurice was never a problem with this club.

I admit I have had my share of terrible takes but I don't think I have ever been more vindicated than for starting this thread in 2022 before Paul had even signed with the Panthers: Maurice vindicated?

Even I could not have predicted the extent of Maurice's vindication!

 

[surixon]

It is now clear that Maurice was never a problem with this club.

I admit I have had my share of terrible takes but I don't think I have ever been more vindicated than for starting this thread in 2022 before Paul had even signed with the Panthers: Maurice vindicated?

Even I could not have predicted the extent of Maurice's vindication!

Why does it have to be an either or situation. He was here for roughly 9 years and lost the room by the end of it. You can be Scotty Bowman and will need to be replaced if you lose the room.

The Jets got instantly better once he left and have had three excellent years. The guys in our room needed a change.

He also needed a change and had great success in Florida. I'm happy for him, but his time here was over and we wouldn't have turned things around to the extent we did had he stuck around.

 

[gojetsgo]

lol

 

[gojetsgo]

Why does it have to be an either or situation. He was here for roughly 9 years and lost the room by the end of it. You can be Scotty Bowman and will need to be replaced if you lose the room.

The Jets got instantly better once he left and have had three excellent years. The guys in our room needed a change.

He also needed a change and had great success in Florida. I'm happy for him, but his time here was over and we wouldn't have turned things around to the extent we did had he stuck around.

yeah, for maurice to be vindicated the jets would need to be far worse then they have been, he got to coach a stacked team and we got better results away from him, it was clearly time for a change well before but this poster has been pushing this narrative since the day maurice left, god reading that 1st post is painful trying to use the advanced stats with lowry as vindication rofl...

 

[Jetsfan79]

I think his success in Florida vindicates those who pushed back against those who said Maurice was not a good coach. He's clearly a really good coach . But you can be a good coach and stil lose the room or out stay your welcome.

 

[surixon]

I think his success in Florida vindicates those who pushed back against those who said Maurice was not a good coach. He's clearly a really good coach . But you can be a good coach and stil lose the room or out stay your welcome.

He was a great coach for us his first 6 seasons here, but cracks started to form after that and we never were able to get fully back on track under him.

 

[Hobble]

Damn, this really makes me think that 2018 was our best shot under Maurice at a Cup, only to have it spoiled by the f*** Knights