Value of: Mattias Samuelsson

[MrLunatik]

Just curious roughly what Sabres fans see his value at on teh trade market

 

[Leafshater67]

A lot less than his value on the ice. That blueline can’t afford to lose anyone, especially a shut down guy.

If he can get and stay healthy, he’s worth a lot to the team and his trade value is low. He’s not worth moving.

 

[MrLunatik]

A lot less than his value on the ice. That blueline can’t afford to lose anyone, especially a shut down guy.

If he can get and stay healthy, he’s worth a lot to the team and his trade value is low. He’s not worth moving.

Do you think he could be a victim of the potential cap crunch? With all your pending RFAs that ~20m in space looks like it will disappear very quickly.

 

[Satanphonehome]

If I were the Sabres, I would trade him for a similar style/level player who shoots right, or a more veteran better stay-at-home D from team looking to shed age and cap.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Do you think he could be a victim of the potential cap crunch? With all your pending RFAs that ~20m in space looks like it will disappear very quickly.

Theres’s a bit of myth out there that the Sabres need to shed cap.

They can re-sign their RFAs, just fine if that’s what they choose to do.
The issue is signing all their RFAs AND making significant adds.

Yes, Samuelsson might be available to dump salary, but only if they acquire a better replacement first.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Samuelsson seems like he’s always recovering from injuries and is never 100% healthy in season, the turnovers Mattias made this season didn’t help his value any.

 

[DJN21]

Theres a small chance he will be available for free this summer if bought out to get out of that contract with little penalty. Normally I'd wear a poker face and try to sell high but frankly you can just have him for free and I'll take the cap space.

He is shadow of what he showed. He's not some defensive stalwart he's a pylon.
He wears a letter and owns a contract he never earned or lived up to.
He's always hurt.
He wouldn't stick up for his mom if a stranger punched her in the face in front of him.

I had the highest of hopes for him but for me at least its clear he's more of the problem than the solution. I could use his cap space more appropriately if I were GM of the Sabres.

If buying him out is a legit option this summer and many think it is I'd just as soon give him away free and not have the buy out penalty.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I could see Calgary being interested if they move Andersson. Cap isn't an issue for them and he fits the age range and positional need

 

[Leafshater67]

Do you think he could be a victim of the potential cap crunch? With all your pending RFAs that ~20m in space looks like it will disappear very quickly.

I’m not sure. I think his value would be extremely low right now so I would have a hard time moving him if I was Buffalo.

 

[MrLunatik]

I could see Calgary being interested if they move Andersson. Cap isn't an issue for them and he fits the age range and positional need

I think they could be interested regardless as it would allow them to shelter Parekh on the 3rd pair at ES (I'd try Pachal on LD with him), and feed him lots and lots of PP minutes. Then if Andersson gets moved towards the deadline, Parekh can slide up to play with Bahl, and Pachal back to RD

 

[Chainshot]

They seem to have three paths diverging from this point with him.

The first is a buyout which would put a $714,286 hit on their cap until sometime toward the energy death of the universe. It would also mean paying him a lump sum of $7,142,857 this summer.

The second is finding someone who might be interested in what he once showed himself to be but then broke himself all up in the last few years. That probably means taking back about as much in cap or some other struggling player.

The third is keeping him despite both his frequent brokenness and things like standing around after Tage got bopped in the head without doing a thing. The one scrum he skated into this year that I can recall, he fell over trying to stop and hurt himself again. So... yeah. I don't have that amount of faith (or naivete) to think he should be back.

 

[MrLunatik]

They seem to have three paths diverging from this point with him.

The first is a buyout which would put a $714,286 hit on their cap until sometime toward the energy death of the universe. It would also mean paying him a lump sum of $7,142,857 this summer.

The second is finding someone who might be interested in what he once showed himself to be but then broke himself all up in the last few years. That probably means taking back about as much in cap or some other struggling player.

The third is keeping him despite both his frequent brokenness and things like standing around after Tage got bopped in the head without doing a thing. The one scrum he skated into this year that I can recall, he fell over trying to stop and hurt himself again. So... yeah. I don't have that amount of faith (or naivete) to think he should be back.

So my thought of Miromanov or Bean should have you over teh moon, since they each only have 1 years left and don't make that much lol

 

[Chainshot]

So my thought of Miromanov or Bean should have you over teh moon, since they each only have 1 years left and don't make that much lol

Miromanov probably more so than Bean due to handedness but Miromanov while big doesn't seem like a play killer. But it would be a body.

I'm not thrilled with savings on this - I am tremendously disappointed in Samuelsson from where he started to where he is now TBH.

 

[Djp]

Do you think he could be a victim of the potential cap crunch? With all your pending RFAs that ~20m in space looks like it will disappear very quickly.

I think him, byram, or power gets moved.

I think 2 separate trades occur where thr move a D for X then acquire a right handed mid pair RD who us early/ mid 20s

 

[MrLunatik]

I think him, byram, or power gets moved.

I think 2 separate trades occur where thr move a D for X then acquire a right handed mid pair RD who us early/ mid 20s

I've said it before, and will again, I would love for Huska to get his hands on Power, I really think he could help him improve so much.

 

[TehDoak]

As a Sabres fan, he was a healthy scratch multiple times this year on an abysmal blue line

If any team will give anything for him without a contract coming back, see ya.

A lesson here:

Don't give out 7 year contracts to players who haven't played a full NHL season.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I think they could be interested regardless as it would allow them to shelter Parekh on the 3rd pair at ES (I'd try Pachal on LD with him), and feed him lots and lots of PP minutes. Then if Andersson gets moved towards the deadline, Parekh can slide up to play with Bahl, and Pachal back to RD

I'm not particularly a fan of preemptively trying to bury Parekh on the 3rd pair.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I've said it before, and will again, I would love for Huska to get his hands on Power, I really think he could help him improve so much.

I don’t think Power is untouchable, but I also don’t think he’s realistically going anywhere. You’d have to be offering something Buffalo *really* covets.

 

[Panthaz89]

Samuelsson has lost most of the edge to his game that made him useful.......injuries seemed to have brought down what would have been a very capable shutdown D-man.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Ryan Graves and a 3rd.

 

[MrLunatik]

I'm not particularly a fan of preemptively trying to bury Parekh on the 3rd pair.

Jesus Christ, this thought process that starting on the 3rd pair while adjusting to the league is "burying" someone is f***ing ridiculous

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Jesus Christ, this thought process that starting on the 3rd pair while adjusting to the league is "burying" someone is f***ing ridiculous

???

We have Pachal who took strides this year, we have one of the best defensive defensemen in the league in Weegar, and we have Bahl who has also taken major steps this year as a defensive dman. He can easily be sheltered in that d-core without us having to force him onto the 3rd pair. What if it's like December and he clearly should be playing higher in the lineup but we've also decided to extend Andersson? What then? Pay Samuelsson 4.3M to play 3rd pair? That's bad asset management.

It's really not that hard to just bring back Hanley and play him with Weegar again if Parekh needs to be moved down. But completely blocking him of the chance to play top 4 is just fundamentally wrong.

From my point of view this thought process that Parekh isn't NHL ready needs to be thrown out the window. He can't go to the AHL, and he's far too good for junior. Sink or swim, give him as good of a chance to earn it as possible. It's not like the Flames are going to be contending next year.

 

[MrLunatik]

???

We have Pachal who took strides this year, we have one of the best defensive defensemen in the league in Weegar, and we have Bahl who has also taken major steps this year as a defensive dman. He can easily be sheltered in that d-core without us having to force him onto the 3rd pair. What if it's like December and he clearly should be playing higher in the lineup but we've also decided to extend Andersson? What then? Pay Samuelsson 4.3M to play 3rd pair? That's bad asset management.

It's really not that hard to just bring back Hanley and play him with Weegar again if Parekh needs to be moved down. But completely blocking him of the chance to play top 4 is just fundamentally wrong.

From my point of view this thought process that Parekh isn't NHL ready needs to be thrown out the window. He can't go to the AHL, and he's far too good for junior. Sink or swim, give him as good of a chance to earn it as possible. It's not like the Flames are going to be contending next year.

• I literally brought up the idea trading Andersson and if they want to move him up, they can move Samuelsson down. Oh look, not blocked. *gasp*
• No one f***ing said he wasn't NHL ready, but there is going to be an adjustment period and growing pains, ready or not.
• If you think Hanley is going to repeat this season, I give you a hearty chuckle, dude just had a career year and is a walking fossil. He's very unlikely to repeat and far more likely to be waiver fodder again.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

• I literally brought up the idea trading Andersson and if they want to move him up, they can move Samuelsson down. Oh look, not blocked. *gasp*
• No one f***ing said he wasn't NHL ready, but there is going to be an adjustment period and growing pains, ready or not.
• If you think Hanley is going to repeat this season, I give you a hearty chuckle, dude just had a career year and is a walking fossil. He's very unlikely to repeat and far more likely to be waiver fodder again.

You are well known to be pro re-sign Andersson, regardless of if you mentioned maybe moving him or not later doesn't change the fact that bringing in Samuelsson without moving Andersson first artificially blocks Parekh. Samuelsson makes 4.3M, I am fine with taking a chance on him because he has proven to be able to play top 4 minutes but has been prone to injury. I am not of the belief that he should be acquired with any intent to play him on the 3rd pair.
Adjustment period sure, but why do we have to add someone to the roster to shelter him during that adjustment period. we have reliable guys to partner him with and other guys who can simply hold spots.
What exactly is Hanley repeating? He had 12 points in 53 games, What I do know he can do is slide in next to Weegar in a pinch on a dirt cheap contract without being a defensive liability. That's all I would care about with him.

 

[MrLunatik]

You are well known to be pro re-sign Andersson, regardless of if you mentioned maybe moving him or not later doesn't change the fact that bringing in Samuelsson without moving Andersson first artificially blocks Parekh. Samuelsson makes 4.3M, I am fine with taking a chance on him because he has proven to be able to play top 4 minutes but has been prone to injury. I am not of the belief that he should be acquired with any intent to play him on the 3rd pair.
Adjustment period sure, but why do we have to add someone to the roster to shelter him during that adjustment period. we have reliable guys to partner him with and other guys who can simply hold spots.
What exactly is Hanley repeating? He had 12 points in 53 games, What I do know he can do is slide in next to Weegar in a pinch on a dirt cheap contract without being a defensive liability. That's all I would care about with him.

I'm actually indifferent on trading Andersson, I just don't think trading him for the sake of trading him is smart like many seem to. The deal has to make sense or he has to say he isn't re-signing.