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Matthews with 0 goals in the tournament

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Peiskos said:
US has high scoring players on paper, but there just isn't any track record of their stars showing up when it matters most, contrary to Canada where MacKinnon, McDavid and company are proven to put the puck in the net in high stress, big time moments.
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Too bad Matthew was out, he’s one who has scored some pretty clutch goals over the last couple of years.
Peiskos said:
Hockey isn't a sport of moral victories, it's a "what have you done for me lately" kind of sport. You either put the puck in the net in big time moments or you don't. Canada's young stars have proven they can do it time and time again, US needs to head back to the drawing board in that regard.
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LoL, reason #1 why it sucks to be a goalie.

A few of the US stars haven’t really yet had chances to create a track record in “big time moments”, at least at the NHL level. We’ll see what getting a taste of hockey at this tourney’s level does for them going forward.
 
Joe Sakic said:
Fully acknowledge Fox made a mistake. My disagreement is that his breakdown was more manageable than what Matthews did. Fox lost his guy and is coming over to close in on Marner who is in the corner. Assume Marner skates to a better shooting angle, we want that to occur more so than we want Matthews to dive on him and leave McJesus wide open in the slot.

After the initial breakdown by Fox we need to limit risk. If he shoots from the purple circle below it is much better than a wide-open shot from the slot due to the angle the goalie can play on Marner.

I'm not sure if we're talking past each other at this point or not, lol. I want to make it clear that I acknowledge Fox made a mistake. The goal is not 100% on Matthews, while I do view his mistake as the most costly in this moment.

And as we've said, the game is moving at 100mph at ice level. These guys have to make a decision in about 0.5 seconds. But still, I'm pissed.

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Well, I’m no expert, but it seems that for the guy called the Center first priority is the center of the ice, and certainly it is over a guy with puck in the corner. (Not to mention who you are leaving alone standing in the slot). Bad things usually happen when one guy tries to go cover for another who is out of position.
 
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Summer Rose said:
I'm going to make a football comparison to Matthews in the championship game. It's not going to be the best comparison, so you can discredit it if you wish.

Let's say Matthews is a quarterback, for the sake of this analogy. In the championship game, he manages to throw for 300 yards, but doesn't complete a touchdown pass. In overtime, he has an open look for a game-winning touchdown, but overthrows his receiver. A play or two later, he throws a game-losing pick six. You can argue that he cost his team the game within a few plays, but he's also a large part of the reason his team was in overtime in the first place.

Okay, discredit me all you want now. :P
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Trade him to Detroit for Copp.
 
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Fatass said:
Hellybuck was the US’s best player as he was all tournament.
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I agree with this. Can't fault him at all on the GWG, you have McDavid in the slot wide open thanks to Matthews' boneheaded defensive play. Matthews also had chances to win it and failed to. 0 goals the entire tournament. Not sure how that's ok with anyone. If he isn't your top gun then who is? He didn't come through when we needed him to is the bottom line. He didn't play bad but didn't contribute where his team needed him to.
 
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shaner8989 said:


Great break down of the OT winner.
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...Frankie lets Matthews error off the hook too easily, imo...Fox was still the culprit of the mess, but Matthews biting on Marner far too soon left the best player in the World all alone in the slot when it was still his responsibility to cover him amplified Fox's egregious error that started the play...both made unforced errors...
 
Peiskos said:
I think it's a major back to the drawing board moment for USA Hockey. What was supposed to be the US's best collection of talent in a generation once again falls flat on its face, stonewalled by Canada's greatness. It's stars Matthews/Eichel producing 0 goals and its other players more focused on planning mass fights in team group chats before games.

I think this should be a real eye opener for the US, a real look at yourself in the mirror "who are we" moment.
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Embarrassing, truly.

USA won one game spectacularly and lost the other in an OT they thoroughly dominated with 10 forwards.

Despite Matthews and others not scoring.
 
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bobholly39 said:
Wasn't he the best player in the finals on team US?

Also - injury didn't help.
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At the end of the day he was the reason McDavid was so wide open and people forget that he's now 0-7 when it comes to closing games in his career. For as good as he was he still fell short. Just saying.
 
34 said:
3 Rockets, 50 goals in 50 games. Yeah, I will just leave that with you.
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He’s a terrific regular season player. We’re discussing what he doesn’t do in the postseason or games and tournaments with a little added pressure beyond the regular season grind.

I see 23 goals in 55 postseason games, a sub PPG, one playoff series win, and just 22 wins overall.

Nearly as damning is since that lone series win, he’s scored 1 goal and handed out 5 assists in 10 games, 8 of which were losses.

Why give him a pass forever? Because he happens to play for the team you’re likely only a fan of because you happened to be born there by mere chance?
 
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KCC said:
At the end of the day he was the reason McDavid was so wide open and people forget that he's now 0-7 when it comes to closing games in his career. For as good as he was he still fell short. Just saying.
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Really? People forget that, do they? It seems to get a fair amount of play from where I am sitting.

Brady Tkachuk missed a wide open scoring chance in OT. If he scores that one, somehow Matthews is a better player? How does that work?

Matthews was a PPG in this series, four players were above that. There are lots of people to blame for the US for going .500 in this tourney and Matthews is way down that list.

I would start with the Tkachuk brothers and Miller, moreso Matthew...maybe a little less time planning fights and then bragging about that. Adam Fox seems to have had a terrible tournament. Maybe Bill Guerin should have tried to build a hockey team instead of a Fantasy Pool roster. The US bottom six had no purpose and it showed with how short their bench got in OT.
 
SeanMoneyHands said:
The best goal scorer in the world had 0 goals in the 3 games he played. I was very surprised to hear this but he was good defensively.
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sucked big time on McDavids OT goal where he was wide open in the slot with enough time to tee it up and gave a coffee.

conFABulator said:
Really? People forget that, do they? It seems to get a fair amount of play from where I am sitting.

Brady Tkachuk missed a wide open scoring chance in OT. If he scores that one, somehow Matthews is a better player? How does that work?

Matthews was a PPG in this series, four players were above that. There are lots of people to blame for the US for going .500 in this tourney and Matthews is way down that list.

I would start with the Tkachuk brothers and Miller, moreso Matthew...maybe a little less time planning fights and then bragging about that. Adam Fox seems to have had a terrible tournament. Maybe Bill Guerin should have tried to build a hockey team instead of a Fantasy Pool roster. The US bottom six had no purpose and it showed with how short their bench got in OT.
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Fox was average. So was Matthews among others
 
conFABulator said:
Who else was as good as Matthews in the series? Werenski? Hellebuyck? Who else? Eichel? The Tkachuks, but they had other issues.
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...Larkin, Werenski, Slavin, both Tkachuks, Hellebuyck, Faber, Guentzel...the PREMIERE goal scorer in the League went without a goal...and no, his defensive play (which wasn't Selke-level...dunno where that myth came from) didn't make up for it...he had a bad tournament...yeah, he's taking a shyte-kicking which may be a bit much, but he didn't perform...
 
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conFABulator said:
Really? People forget that, do they? It seems to get a fair amount of play from where I am sitting.

Brady Tkachuk missed a wide open scoring chance in OT. If he scores that one, somehow Matthews is a better player? How does that work?

Matthews was a PPG in this series, four players were above that. There are lots of people to blame for the US for going .500 in this tourney and Matthews is way down that list.

I would start with the Tkachuk brothers and Miller, moreso Matthew...maybe a little less time planning fights and then bragging about that. Adam Fox seems to have had a terrible tournament. Maybe Bill Guerin should have tried to build a hockey team instead of a Fantasy Pool roster. The US bottom six had no purpose and it showed with how short their bench got in OT.
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US slaughtered the Finns. Beat Canada , lost to Swedes then lost to Canada in OT. Great team. Short tourney. Only one team can win.......
and it never Hellebuycks team.😉
 
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