Matthews or Draisaitl For The Rocket?
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Where does this belief come from? Draisatl finished 14 spots ahead of Matthews in Selke voting last year. ( He finished 13, while Matthews was 27) Draisatl starts 45% of his shifts in the Dzone and kills penalties.
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Can we do a poll on whose team will ever get swept in the playoffs? Matthews or McDrai?
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His Selke voting finish means very little because most hockey media is not good at actually evaluating defense. When looking at all defensive stats Draisaitl rates quite poorly and has for many years whereas Matthews has great numbers especially this season
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What defensive stats? I see none anywhere that would say this is true. What is fact is his coach, and his previous coach put him in high leverage defensive situations all the time
Matthews also is always on the ice for far more goals 5v5 than Draisaitl.
Their takeaways, blocks are simular.
Really the big difference is Matthews has a better xgf as they have the puck all the time.
Problem is when they don't it results in a goal
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so long time lurker here. Finally registered. It is crazy to me how the main boards are in literally meltdown mode over what Matthews has done this year. We have always known Matthews>>Drai however no w that it's becoming clear to everyone that it's true the mains are hilarious. I've seen more bad posts in the the last week then I have ever seen in the ten years I've been reading combined. Lol.
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I agree that killing penalties does not = good defense.
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Of course killing penalties doesn't equal good defense. It helps to be good at defense to be a successful penalty killer though
Some bad eyes you got there.I agree that killing penalties does not = good defense.
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Of course killing penalties doesn't equal good defense. It helps to be good at defense to be a successful penalty killer though
Matthews
Games Played: 69
Takeaways: 85
Giveaways: 47
Blocks: 57
Hits: 62
Draisaitl
Games Played: 74
Takeaways: 66
Giveaways: 85
Blocks: 24
Hits: 46
So Matthews has almost 1/2 the Giveaways, 10 more Takeaways, over double the Blocks, while not penalty killing, and 16 more hits while playing in 5 fewer games and playing about 2 minutes less per game as well.
These are the most basic of all defensive stats, and Matthews destroys Draisaitl in all of then.
19 more takeaways*
Matthews was good defensively right from the beginning of his career and he's improved every season, and now suddenly people are acting like he's not because of his on ice save%. You won't find one other player who does as much as he does without the puck and has it the amount he has it not to mention score goals at historical rates. He's the best player in the NHL this season without a shred of doubt.
Lol. Bad eyes? Here is a basic stat. Matthews has been on the ice for 73 even strength goals against. Draisaitl 55. Drai has played 6 more games. He also starts almost 20% more of his shifts in the D-zone.
Besides all of that, my point was where did this notion that Draisaitl doesn't play D.
Regardless of how people view those who vote for the Selke, their list is pretty spot on and more people see it as Drai being the better defensive player. At least last year.
This year both have been excellent with the edge going to no one. It would depend on what metrics you value more
Yes bad eyes. 73 and 55 are both wrong for both players. Where are you getting your numbers cause hockeyreference doesn't show that stat.
Matthews has been on the ice for 76 even strength goals against, which includes 4v4, and 3v3.
Draisaitl has been on for 63 goals against.
As for starting in the defensive zone more, that tends to happen when you give up more chances than you generate.
Draisaitl holds a 51.05 scoring chances for percentage. He has 105 and is barely over 50% in scoring chances.
Matthews has a 62.05 scoring chances for percentage. The difference in defensive zone starts has to do with the difference between these 2 numbers.
Draisaitl also only starts 48.8% of his even strength shifts in the defensive zone compared to Matthews 38.7%. So again, nowhere close to 20%. It's 10.1% more.
Ahhh.. I was using All situations. Now I understand the misunderstanding. Evem Strength would be a fairer representation
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Yeah, Matthews looks like he can’t buy a goal. Oh well, 58 is a great accomplishment.
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I mean are we just going to ignore the substantially worse goaltending Matthews has gotten? Also Drai might kill penalties but he's really, really bad at it. He ranks near the bottom of the league in xGA/60 while on the pk. Giving him credit for being awful at the pk seems kind of funny.
