Proposal: Matthews+ for McDavid

[ElPrimeTime]

Thats reading it with your Oilers glasses on. In what universe does any player say Summer 2025 "Im not re-signing, talk to me after the season" does a GM sit there, not trade him at the deadline, and hope he comes back. That would be an insane fire worthy offense. You would have to win the Cup that year for that to be acceptable.

This made laugh out loud. Didn't this exact same thing just happen with Mitchy Marner?!? Players with full NMCs/NTCs decide when and where they get traded. The Oilers have no obligation to meet those demands if their return does not help the team win now and in the future. If he only wants to go to the Leafs and all they are offering is Matthews and Tanev, you take your chances with McDavid and Draisaitl together one last time instead of burning your future cap on a player who goes invisible when it matters most.

 

[sbhnur]

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
to Edmonton

McDavid
to Torontoa

 

[landy]

In some cases? Yeah, you do.

It's Connor McDavid, and the Oilers want to win a Stanley Cup. There's no single asset or combination of assets the Oilers could get back that would get them closer to a Cup than Connor McDavid does.

Edmonton has made the conference finals now in back to back seasons and in 3 out of the last 4 years. It's a decent enough gamble to go for it again.

If he says in summer 2025 "I don't want to extend right now, let's talk after this year" that's VERY different than "I'm not re-signing here, now or ever"

Right but you also dont accept that and you say we cant risk losing you for nothing, give us a wink wink something here. Were not doing a Tavares.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Right but you also dont accept that and you say we cant risk losing you for nothing, give us a wink wink something here. Were not doing a Tavares.

it's worth it if you win a Cup. The Oilers are as close as anyone in the league is to winning one, and we're a better team with McDavid than we are with Matthews and Tanev (which is a weird inclusion)

I might almost rather have the cap space to go get players that perform in the playoffs than allot 13 million to a scorer that doesn't score come playoff time.

 

[landy]

it's worth it if you win a Cup. The Oilers are as close as anyone in the league is to winning one, and we're a better team with McDavid than we are with Matthews and Tanev (which is a weird inclusion)

I might almost rather have the cap space to go get players that perform in the playoffs than allot 13 million to a scorer that doesn't score come playoff time.

Its fun to make fun of the Leafs and Matthews especially right after losing game 7, but you know damn well every GM would jump at the chance to get him. Tanev is excellent defensively also aka why he is included. Maybe something EDM needs? Might be reaching there lol.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Its fun to make fun of the Leafs and Matthews especially right after losing game 7, but you know damn well every GM would jump at the chance to get him. Tanev is excellent defensively also aka why he is included. Maybe something EDM needs? Might be reaching there lol.

This isn't an isolated issue, though. Matthews has a label now as "doesn't show up when it matters". Why would a team with designs on a Cup trade their player, who is better, who DOES show up when it matters, for him? Personally even in the hypothetical that McDavid refuses to re-sign here I think I'd rather get a truckload of futures than a guy that makes what Matthews does and scores like Jake DeBrusk in the playoffs.

 

[FerrisRox]

Before you lose your minds, this is assuming McDavid says he is not going to re-sign in EDM early after they lose to the Stars this postseason. So Edm then has the decision to go for one more run with McDavid or Rantanen it and move him now before you lose him for nothing potentially. I am also assuming both Tavares and Marner are gone so lots of money to spend and TOR gives McDavid 8x$17 or whatever high amount you want to put here.

Obviously this would break the NHL internet, but what else does TOR have to add, if anything, to Matthews for an extended McDavid (not just a rental). Inserting Matthews into EDM keeps them in contention mode, but can easily argue is a downgrade over McDavid.

Matthews - $13.25 for 3 more years
for
McDavid - Extends with TOR 8 years
Tanev - $2.5M for 5 more years

What do they have to add, if anything?

 

[FerrisRox]

The premise is McDavid is leaving no matter what. You run him for one more year and lose him for nothing or trade him now.

Right.

And you think the top offer the Oilers would receive, after putting Connor McDavid on the trade market ... is Auston Matthews?

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Right.

And you think the top offer the Oilers would receive, after putting Connor McDavid on the trade market ... is Auston Matthews?

You forgot Tanev and his 4.5M deal that ends when he's 40.

 

[FerrisRox]

So if McDavid says he wasn’t re-signing you wouldn’t take the core 4 for them? Interesting.

I absolutely wouldn't, no.

That would be moronic.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

If Edmonton ever does this, I'm starting a petition for a referendum to separate Alberta from the ROC.

Wait... I thought Alberta was part of the ROC

 

[landy]

This isn't an isolated issue, though. Matthews has a label now as "doesn't show up when it matters". Why would a team with designs on a Cup trade their player, who is better, who DOES show up when it matters, for him? Personally even in the hypothetical that McDavid refuses to re-sign here I think I'd rather get a truckload of futures than a guy that makes what Matthews does and scores like Jake DeBrusk in the playoffs.

Now were finally getting somewhere and if futures > Matthews is the preference, cool. But yes, this is going under the assumption youre losing McDavid no matter what, which is a very realistic possibility.

 

[landy]

I absolutely wouldn't, no.

That would be moronic.

Assuming cap compliance, which obviously more pieces would be leaving and ignoring NTC/NMC's, you'd have:

Draisaitl-Matthews-Nylander
Marner-Tavares-Hyman
Kane-RNH-Podkolzin
Janmark-Henrique-Arvidsson

That forward core would be insane.

 

[jackjohnson]

Before you lose your minds, this is assuming McDavid says he is not going to re-sign in EDM early after they lose to the Stars this postseason. So Edm then has the decision to go for one more run with McDavid or Rantanen it and move him now before you lose him for nothing potentially. I am also assuming both Tavares and Marner are gone so lots of money to spend and TOR gives McDavid 8x$17 or whatever high amount you want to put here.

Obviously this would break the NHL internet, but what else does TOR have to add, if anything, to Matthews for an extended McDavid (not just a rental). Inserting Matthews into EDM keeps them in contention mode, but can easily argue is a downgrade over McDavid.

Matthews - $13.25 for 3 more years
for
McDavid - Extends with TOR 8 years
Tanev - $2.5M for 5 more years

Another joke of a post. No logic in this at all.

 

[landy]

Another joke of a post. No logic in this at all.

True. Matthews would never waive to go to Edmonton.

 

[archangel2]

this will be a fun thread

 

[archangel2]

what would the + be from the leaf fans and oiler fans

 

[FerrisRox]

Assuming cap compliance, which obviously more pieces would be leaving and ignoring NTC/NMC's, you'd have:

Draisaitl-Matthews-Nylander
Marner-Tavares-Hyman
Kane-RNH-Podkolzin
Janmark-Henrique-Arvidsson

That forward core would be insane.

Not in May or June, and that's all that matters. The notion that a team would actually take on all four of those guys is completely absurd.

 

[landy]

Not in May or June, and that's all that matters. The notion that a team would actually take on all four of those guys is completely absurd.

Why is that absurd? 80% of the league would take that over their current situation.

Have they underachieved? Yes, but every GM would take them if they could. They underachieve until they dont.

Here is a good example of one player who underachieved until he didnt. No big deal.

 

[PuckG]

Assuming cap compliance, which obviously more pieces would be leaving and ignoring NTC/NMC's, you'd have:

Draisaitl-Matthews-Nylander
Marner-Tavares-Hyman
Kane-RNH-Podkolzin
Janmark-Henrique-Arvidsson

That forward core would be insane.

Aside from shafting the cap, it’s a bunch of players who go non-existent in the playoffs.

 

[landy]

Aside from shafting the cap, it’s a bunch of players who go non-existent in the playoffs.

One season where they dont and everyone forgets that. Silly to think GM's think that way. And what about the guy one post up? Loser who couldnt do it in the playoffs...and then he did and everyone forgot about the previous decade.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Now were finally getting somewhere and if futures > Matthews is the preference, cool. But yes, this is going under the assumption youre losing McDavid no matter what, which is a very realistic possibility.

in Edmonton's situation, 13 million to spend on free agents *and* a pile of futures and young assets (that Toronto doesn't have, fyi) might be the way to win now and win later. That said, keeping McDavid is jobs A through Y. We only get to option Z after going through the rest of the alphabet.

 

[NYRnine94]

Edmonton is so close to winning a cup with McDavid and Drasaitl, you keep those guys together for as long as possible. Matthews couldn't shine their shoes

 

[Ignatius]

Before you lose your minds, this is assuming McDavid says he is not going to re-sign in EDM early after they lose to the Stars this postseason. So Edm then has the decision to go for one more run with McDavid or Rantanen it and move him now before you lose him for nothing potentially. I am also assuming both Tavares and Marner are gone so lots of money to spend and TOR gives McDavid 8x$17 or whatever high amount you want to put here.

Obviously this would break the NHL internet, but what else does TOR have to add, if anything, to Matthews for an extended McDavid (not just a rental). Inserting Matthews into EDM keeps them in contention mode, but can easily argue is a downgrade over McDavid.

Matthews - $13.25 for 3 more years
for
McDavid - Extends with TOR 8 years
Tanev - $2.5M for 5 more years

I really appreciate you making this thread so I didn't have to. Look Edmonton fans we're trying to do you a favor, you need to start a phone call and letter writing campaign to the Oilers org to get this done before it's too late. Laugh it up now chuckleheads but you'll live to regret this!!!

 

[Community]

In the EXTREMELY unlikely scenario this happens then I don't think there's a deal to be made.

If it did then Edmonton would be better off fully loading up for one more crack at the cup in 2025-26 season and Toronto should overpay for 1 year UFA signings to maintain capspace for 2026 to try and sign McDavid.

If McDavid wants to move on he can literally pick his next team and still get the new highest aav in the league. Why would he accept a trade anywhere and sign an extension instead of waiting one more year to pick his next place? This isn't the same as Rantanen, this is the best player in the league who every team would be willing to create 15m of cap to sign him.

From a value standpoint I guess you're looking at Matthews + Knies or something similar, but a McDavid trade doesn't end up being a value trade as he holds all the cards.