Matthew Tkachuk vs Keith Tkachuk

[Regal]

All the voters are showing their age right now.

Look at Keith’s stats

Sounds like nostalgia. Keith’s stats aren’t that great. He has one year over 90 points and 3 over 80. Yea he missed time and played a good chunk of time on the dead puck era, but he was also never top 10 in points. Matthew might be getting a bit overrated from how good his 22-23 season was that he hasn’t really matched in other years, but it was also much better than any of Keith’s, and ended in a far better playoffs than Keith ever had.

 

[Felidae]

Sounds like nostalgia. Keith’s stats aren’t that great. He has one year over 90 points and 3 over 80. Yea he missed time and played a good chunk of time on the dead puck era, but he was also never top 10 in points. Matthew might be getting a bit overrated from how good his 22-23 season was that he hasn’t really matched in other years, but it was also much better than any of Keith’s, and ended in a far better playoffs than Keith ever had.

He may not have ever finished top 10 in points, but he has a few top 11-20 finishes

13th, 15th, 11th, 12th, 19th

Then in seasons where he missed time, he still has PPG finishes of 18th, 14th, 20th,

For comparison, this is Matthew

7th, 8th, 20th

And this is just points, Keith was a top 10 goalscorer for more than half a decade.

His goal and gpg finishes in the OP are wrong, I'll update it, but it's actually.

Goals: 1, 6, 7, 7, 10
GPG: 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 9, 10


I agree Matthew probably has the best peak season and i think he'll end up with the better prime eventually (i think he's the smarter player). But for now Keith's prime>Matthew's.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I agree Tkachuk probably has the best peak season

One thing we can all agree on

 

[BlueSeal]

Keith started the tradition of greatness, his son lives up to it and brought home the Cup.

 

[Andrei79]

All the voters are showing their age right now.

Look at Keith’s stats

Good point, inferior to his son Matthews and not nearly as productive in the playoffs.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Here is Keith Tkachuk's point and goalscoring gap over his own teammates during his 2 best years.


1995-96
23 more goals than 2nd highest
26 more points than 2nd highest(Selanne was producing at a similar rate to Tkachuk, but played only 51 games.)

1996-97
20 more goals than 2nd highest
17 more points than 2nd highest.
23 more EVG than 2nd highest, and more impressive, he factored in on a quarter of his teams EVG.

winnipeg in the 1995-96 season up to the selanne trade —

selanne: 51 games, 24 goals, 72 pts (1.41 pts/game)
tkachuk: 48 games, 31 goals, 57 pts (1.21)
zhamnov: 42 games, 19 goals, 48 pts (1.14)


next 7 games, where they were experimenting with who to replace selanne with on that line —

tkachuk: 7 games, 3 goals, 6 pts (0.86)
mike stapleton: 7 games, 2 goals, 6 pts (0.86)
kris king: 6 games, 2 goals, 4 pts (0.67)
zhamnov: 7 games, 1 goal, 4 pts (0.56)

* a hot few games for the second line of stapleton and king with darren turcotte between injuries (turcotte had 3 goals in 3 games)


olczyk joins the top line for a spell before he and zhamnov both get injured —

tkachuk: 6 games, 6 goals, 12 pts (2.0)
olczyk: 6 games, 5 pts, 12 pts (2.0)
zhamnov: 6 games, 2 goals, 7 pts (1.17)


small blip between stable linemates —

turcotte: 5 games, 2 goals, 4 pts
bunch of guys: 6 games, 3 pts
tkachuk: 4 games, 2 goals, both on the PP


jets trade for janney, who becomes tkachuk’s new center for the rest of the year, with dallas drake as their RW —

tkachuk: 12 games, 8 goals, 21 pts (1.75)
janney: 12 games, 7 goals, 20 pts (1.68)
drake: 12 games, 8 goals, 14 pts (1.17)


i was expecting this to show that tkachuk’s margin of dominance over his linemates wasn’t quite so big in 1996, but what i actually learned is he really was the constant after selanne left who kept producing with different linemates around him. his production post-selanne: 29 games, 19 goals, 41 pts (1.41 pts/game). from the trade to the end of the season, he was 9th in league scoring, the same pace as selanne had over the stretch he was leading the team.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Keith wins at the all you can eat buffet and it's not even close.

 

[DitchMarner]

Keith wins at the all you can eat buffet and it's not even close.

Do these sound like the actions of a man who had all he could eat?!