[Matthew Tkachuk] Leafs would be unbelievable if the team wasn't in Toronto

[Bust]

Yes you should've expected less from them. You're saying these guys drop their play by 50% every year but then saying the media and fans didn't overrate them. I'm just confused.

I don't blame fans for turning on these guys, it's pretty justified. But you would think they would learn a lesson to not overrate players before they really accomplish meaningful things.

What does "Fan A" overrating 69 goal scorer Auston Matthews, have to do with his on ice performance? The guy who has scored the most goals since entering the NHL, how does how he is rated effect his pay?

Not sure if you are aware, leaf fans have no barring on contracts handed out by management.

You seem to be combining a bunch of weird arguments together and talking in circles. You bring up reading comprehension but your posts are wildly inconsistent and all over the place.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I know you are, which is why I'm a little surprised you didn't think the Leafs were rotten to the core.

The team is no good, but it isn't because of the media or the fans.

The team is bad because of bad management which led to too many losers on the roster.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Matthew can take a hike. Don’t blame the fans or media pressure for lack of results. It’s a privilege to play in a place where so many people care. You don’t even have to win a cup in order to be idolized. There are statues of players outside of Scotiabank Arena that never won a thing.

 

[dcyhabs]

Maybe they were paid like first line players and superstars because the media hyped them up as such before they earned it?

It’s tougher to keep players in big markets. They don’t go unnoticed and local media either overrates them so they get overpaid or runs them out of town so they are lost with little asset value.

It’s easier in the US where hockey is the third or fourth sport in most big cities. It’s much easier in small US cities where fans don’t know if the players are good or not.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

What does "Fan A" overrating 69 goal scorer Auston Matthews, have to do with his on ice performance? The guy who has scored the most goals since entering the NHL, how does how he is rated effect his pay?

Not sure if you are aware, leaf fans have no barring on contracts handed out by management.

You seem to be combining a bunch of weird arguments together and talking in circles. You bring up reading comprehension but your posts are wildly inconsistent and all over the place.

The media absolutely has barring on contracts handed out by management, and the fans do too by extension. The fan fair around these guys gave these players tons of leverage for negotiating, as the fans would've rioted had they failed to sign them. Jersey sales would decrease.

Fans overrate guys like Matthews by constantly pointing to his regular season totals as reasons to why he's such a superstar while ignoring the drop in his play in the playoffs.

Again, how can simultaneously suck (due to his dip in play) but fans/media didn't overrated him? He would be called a top 3 player in the league and get compared to McDavid and MacKinnon, but that's not overrating him and putting unrealistic expectations on him? How is calling him a top 3 player when he sucks every year in the playoffs not overrating him?

 

[Zalos]

The Panthers need to shut the eff up about this. If they were trying to sound gracious... they failed. They just sound like morons.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

The team is no good, but it isn't because of the media or the fans.

The team is bad because of bad management which led to too many losers on the roster.

They have bad management and they have bad media and fans. All of those things can be true.

 

[Bust]

It’s tougher to keep players in big markets. They don’t go unnoticed and local media either overrates them so they get overpaid or runs them out of town so they are lost with little asset value.

It’s easier in the US where hockey is the third or fourth sport in most big cities. It’s much easier in small US cities where fans don’t know if the players are good or not.

The real issue here is the salary cap.

Toronto players want to be compensated for more media noise and fan exposure. No one disagrees in Toronto.

Unfortunately, we wouldn't have hockey in the southern US or small markets like Ottawa if it wasn't for the big, mean, large market team fans having to subsidize these small market teams.

paying thousands for a seat in Toronto vs paying maybe a hundred bucks (including parking, jerseys, food, ext) will cause a large difference in fan expectations. Not rocket science.

 

[Bust]

The media absolutely has barring on contracts handed out by management, and the fans do too by extension. The fan fair around these guys gave these players tons of leverage for negotiating, as the fans would've rioted had they failed to sign them. Jersey sales would decrease.

You're flat out wrong.

 

[Midnight Judges]

If you can’t handle a few sports media dumb dumbs saying some things…

That’s charitable of Tkachuk to say.

 

[sr edler]

It happening in other sports is irrelevant, we're talking about hockey here. It doesn't happen to other teams in hockey, because there's no other team with the same circumstances as Toronto.

Didn't Canucks fans on Twitter threaten Mike Matheson's dog after he body-slammed rookie Pettersson?

 

[dcyhabs]

The real issue here is the salary cap.

Toronto players want to be compensated for more media noise and fan exposure. No one disagrees in Toronto.

Unfortunately, we wouldn't have hockey in the southern US or small markets like Ottawa if it wasn't for the big, mean, large market team fans having to subsidize these small market teams.

paying thousands for a seat in Toronto vs paying maybe a hundred bucks (including parking, jerseys, food, ext) will cause a large difference in fan expectations. Not rocket science.

In Toronto it also means the guys close to the ice are rich and corporate. No noise until you get way, way up. I like Toronto, and most of the people I know there are fans, but the guys at the games…

You’d expect the same thing in Montreal, seats are expensive, but there is atmosphere.

 

[colchar]

Knies had 0 points and was a -5 in his last 4 games of the Florida series.

He was also injured the last couple of games.

Once he's being paid 9M the Leaf fans and media will turn on him too with numbers like that, regardless of how many cojones he possesses.

You have no idea what will or will not happen. If he works his ass off the fans will love him no mater what because if Leafs fans love anything it is lunch-bucket hockey. Leafs fans respect the hell out of that.

That's how it is for Toronto media and fans. The one thing they love more than a hero... is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you.

This is demonstrably false. Guys who have worked their asses off, who have succeeded, and who have bled blue and white are revered here long after they stop playing. The fans don't eventually turn on them, or maybe you're just too young to have seen any of those players here and how much they were worshiped.

 

[sr edler]

Panthers and Leafs are built quite differently as teams. Leafs doesn't have a Bennett or a chippy scorer like Tkachuk, or a strong supporting line with guys like Anton Lundell, or a Forsling.

Leafs are built like a kid would build his team in a fantasy video game.

 

[NVious]

Yes you should've expected less from them. You're saying these guys drop their play by 50% every year but then saying the media and fans didn't overrate them. I'm just confused.

I don't blame fans for turning on these guys, it's pretty justified. But you would think they would learn a lesson to not overrate players before they really accomplish meaningful things.

I'm not saying it, it is a statistical fact looking at their season to playoff stats. Nothing confusing about it, one would assume that top 10 players would be able to perform in the playoffs, one would assume that if you get an MVP not just by the media but also the players, you'd be able to perform in the playoffs, that was not the case. Had nothing to do with anybody being overrated.

Yeah you're right, we shouldn't overrate our MVP/70 goal scorer, next MVP/70 goal scorer we get, we'll be sure to expect less from him.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Passing the buck onto the media is some loser shit, it comes with the territory. They're mostly gods in the sport because of where they play and now because they can't get over the hump, it's the fans and media holding them accountable? Get the f*** out of here with that garbage lol

Toronto has statues of guys outside their arena who haven't played in a Cup Final game, that's how much just being elite means to that city if you're a player but yeah it's their fault lol

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Panthers and Leafs are built quite differently as teams. Leafs doesn't have a Bennett or a chippy scorer like Tkachuk, or a strong supporting line with guys like Anton Lundell, or a Forsling.

Leafs are built like a kid would build his team in a fantasy video game.

The Leafs have Knies in that mold but he's still young

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The media absolutely has barring on contracts handed out by management, and the fans do too by extension. The fan fair around these guys gave these players tons of leverage for negotiating, as the fans would've rioted had they failed to sign them. Jersey sales would decrease.

Fans overrate guys like Matthews by constantly pointing to his regular season totals as reasons to why he's such a superstar while ignoring the drop in his play in the playoffs.

Again, how can simultaneously suck (due to his dip in play) but fans/media didn't overrated him? He would be called a top 3 player in the league and get compared to McDavid and MacKinnon, but that's not overrating him and putting unrealistic expectations on him? How is calling him a top 3 player when he sucks every year in the playoffs not overrating him?

This isn't just a Leafs thing then lmao

 

[colchar]

On Overdrive right now they are discussing the pressure narrative and are tearing it apart, including a guy who played for the Leafs.

They are also convinced that Maurice and the Panthers are trolling with their comments.

 

[Korpse]

They are also convinced that Maurice and the Panthers are trolling with their comments.

I get Maurice saying game 5 was close, he didn't want for his players to be complacent with a 3-2 series lead coming off a blowout but saying it again in game 7 was for sure trolling.

 

[sampollock]

he was trolling the team and fans
and the team took it

 

[colchar]

The media absolutely has barring on contracts handed out by management, and the fans do too by extension.

I'm assuming you meant bearing?

And that is a ridiculous load of bollocks. The team does not make contract decisions based on the media and the fans. If they did, the core wouldn't have gotten the big deals they did and they certainly wouldn't have gotten the NMCs, because fans are not f**king happy about the dollars or the NMCs.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

In 18 pages ive never so many out of touch takes.

Dear god.

 

[colchar]

I get Maurice saying game 5 was close, he didn't want for his players to be complacent with a 3-2 series lead coming off a blowout but saying it again in game 7 was for sure trolling.

They were speaking specifically about the post series comments.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

They have bad management and they have bad media and fans. All of those things can be true.

Bad fans, in that they are too easily excited, don't matter. The flip side is those insane fans? Some of them paid over $5000 to go see them play.

No one signs someone to multi million dollar contracts because the media or because of fans. The media is a factor, it exists, it affects people, but it isn't a deciding factor!

Bad contracts happen because GMs are stuck in a bad spot and sometimes the owner meddles and makes things harder.

No serious person will do something "because of the media/fans"