Player Discussion Matthew Knies | Built for the Playoffs

[keonsbitterness]

The hole in the story is:

How exactly was Knies at 7.75 fitting on the Habs roster right at 3pm.

There is more to the story or some facts still fuzzy or being left to protect certain players.

I also believe the Leafs could have been trying to use those assets in another deal we don’t know about.

Didn't they have Laine on LTIR?

 

[kevsh]

Trade an "established" 23 year old 1st line winger, with a great contract for 4 prospects that are projects at best. Nope. The only way I entertain a Knies trade is if Hague is part of the package.

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I saw somewhere he's 165 pounds. At 19, sure, he can bulk up still but 165.

Yeah, so the Leafs have enough small forwards already and are probably going to add McKenna (not small but not physical either). No thanks.

Just keep Knies and if there is a rebuild coming convince the Big 3 to waive and use the assets returned from them to stock the prospect cupboards and/or shore up the blue line, the bottom 6, down the middle... Did I miss anywhere they need bodies and/or upgrades?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Just keep Knies and if there is a rebuild coming convince the Big 3 to waive and use the assets returned from them to stock the prospect cupboards and/or shore up the blue line, the bottom 6, down the middle..

That’s what the plan should be now that we’ve closed our cup window.

But it’s not about Cups.

59 years surely proves that.

 

[Tak7]

The real story here: Pelley sat in the war room during the deadline, unconvinced at the job Treliving was doing, and still green lit a massive trade like this by a GM he had major reservations about keeping beyond this season.

You can throw the best GMs and search firms and head coaches at this all you want, but if the Leafs dont start operating like a proper hockey club, none of it will matter.

Their process is rotten.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Their process is rotten.

It’s all a part of the blue and white disease

 

[1specter]

Treliving really is a spineless cuck. Makes sense why Shanahan hired him.

 

[1specter]

The real story here: Pelley sat in the war room during the deadline, unconvinced at the job Treliving was doing, and still green lit a massive trade like this by a GM he had major reservations about keeping beyond this season.

You can throw the best GMs and search firms and head coaches at this all you want, but if the Leafs dont start operating like a proper hockey club, none of it will matter.

Their process is rotten.

Eh, I don't like Pelley, but I think this situation probably was a factor in Treliving being fired. I think he saw the first hand incompetence and decided then that the guy wasn't it. I don't think we can say Pelley 'endorsed ' the trade.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The real story here: Pelley sat in the war room during the deadline, unconvinced at the job Treliving was doing, and still green lit a massive trade like this by a GM he had major reservations about keeping beyond this season.

You can throw the best GMs and search firms and head coaches at this all you want, but if the Leafs dont start operating like a proper hockey club, none of it will matter.

Their process is rotten.

Pelley knows nothing about hockey. Who would expect him to step in during a negotiation? I doubt Pelley ever saw Tre in action until this year's trade deadline, and he came away unimpressed. It's possible Treliving would still be the GM if Pelley had not been in the room.

 

[Puckstuff]

The only player I'd trade Knies for would be an under 23, top 6 center or #1 top pair d-man under 23. Nothing else.

The only trade offer I've seen that kind of makes sense for Knies is Anton Frondell. Because then you have your 1C and 1W for the future in Frondell and McKenna. And you still have Matthews-Nylander as your 1W and 1C now. That's pretty elite. When Matthews ages in 2-3 years, this team is very thin at center.

Matthews-Nylander
McKenna-Frondell

That would be to good to pass up imo.

Do the Hawks even entertain that deal though?

 

[Albz]

Trevling definitely one of the worst gm in leafs history. Dude fking ruined our team...

 

[leafsfan2point0]

This trade would’ve set us back years.

 

[Cynical]

Kypreos and Bourne just said exactly what I said lol. If you’re trading Knies you’re rebuilding and it still doesn’t make sense to trade the 23 year old.

This shit just doesn’t make sense. I really hope this was all Treliving

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Trevling definitely one of the worst gm in leafs history. Dude fking ruined our team...

Not really.

He came to a Paper Tiger team with major flaws that was getting slower and older.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

This trade would’ve set us back years.

The Window has closed.

Be honest

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Holy Cow Brad was a special type of idiot. Up there with the Burks' and Nonis'

 

[HamiltonNHL]

the worst gm in leafs history

Is it possible we have an endless supply of terrible GMs or is the problem MLSE?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Not really.

He came to a Paper Tiger team with major flaws that was getting slower and older.

Thank god he saw we were getting older and slower so he added a bunch of youth and speed to the team. Sometimes I can barely see Tanev he’s so fast, once he gets some more experience under his youthful legs he’s going to be a force by the end of his 6 year deal.

 

[Cynical]

The scary part about this is that there is no way this happens without Pelly okaying it knowing he was going to fire Treliving. He had already started searching for new GMs before the deadline.

So, Treliving was doing what Pelley wanted.

We have to seriously hope Pelley is now just gone and no longer interfering.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

So, Treliving was doing what Pelley wanted.

Definitely.

But Pelley knows nothing about hockey (his own words).

 

[Apex Predator]

The only player I'd trade Knies for would be an under 23, top 6 center or #1 top pair d-man under 23. Nothing else.

The only trade offer I've seen that kind of makes sense for Knies is Anton Frondell. Because then you have your 1C and 1W for the future in Frondell and McKenna. And you still have Matthews-Nylander as your 1W and 1C now. That's pretty elite. When Matthews ages in 2-3 years, this team is very thin at center.

Matthews-Nylander
McKenna-Frondell

That would be to good to pass up imo.

Do the Hawks even entertain that deal though?

I like that! Can you make it happen?

 

[leafs in five]

The real story here: Pelley sat in the war room during the deadline, unconvinced at the job Treliving was doing, and still green lit a massive trade like this by a GM he had major reservations about keeping beyond this season.

You can throw the best GMs and search firms and head coaches at this all you want, but if the Leafs dont start operating like a proper hockey club, none of it will matter.

Their process is rotten.

Makes me wonder when Pelley did his eliteprospects deep dive on all of Montreal's most exciting young talents that he tried to show off with at a the end of season press conference

 

[pcruz]

It really is a mind numbing logic when you consider the fact that at the TDL, the prospect of even retaining our 2026 1st was far fetched, let alone getting the 1st overall pick.

At this current point I don't know if you can return the Knies relationship to what it once was. This is such a damaging report. To know you were traded but had it nixed due to clerical incompetence is beyond unacceptable. It's almost as damaging as the trade itself.

I just don't see how you recover that relationship. Brad may not be here anymore, but he would have needed board approval to make that move and KP represents the board in that room. Keith Pelly is still the head of this snake. There is no way Matthew can feel any sort of comfort going forward. Truly a failure of the highest degree. Not enough heads have rolled for this f*** up TBH.

No matter what happens with 23, I will always cheer for that dude. There's absolutely no way he didn't know about what was going on at the TDL to end the year, and he never dragged his feet or bitched about it. Continued to play through injury despite his moron GM and ownership group having a deal in place to move him. What a pro

Kyle Lowry was traded to NY, but Dolan stopped the deal on his end.

That didn't prevent the guy from going on to being the greatest player in franchise history.

 

[pcruz]

Treliving really is a spineless cuck. Makes sense why Shanahan hired him.

I mean, this is completely unnecessary....why not just say he is incompetent....

 

[notbias]

Treliving would have made his first good trade/signing, and people are upset...

Knies is really good, but essentially 4 1st rounders is an amazing return for him.

Knies gets overrated a lot because of the type of player he is, not because of his on-ice production.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Treliving would have made his first good trade/signing, and people are upset...

Knies is really good, but essentially 4 1st rounders is an amazing return for him.

Knies gets overrated a lot because of the type of player he is, not because of his on-ice production.

It's not an amazing return when 2 of the picks are likely late round picks and the other 2 former picks are not blue chip prospects.

I'd rather keep our 23 year old proven power forward that hasn't even entered his prime over a few assets that may or may not pan out.