Value of: Matt Murray
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Stanley Cup winning goalie on ELC still Penguins would be idiots to keep MAF instead of him. His value would be high if he was for trade.
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Jones hadn't backstopped a team to a Stanley Cup. Given what he's accomplished AND the Pens' situation (win now), he would probably cost more.
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They might not have a choice. Fleury has a NMC and must be protected in expansion. He also has a NTC that allows him to dictate 18 teams he can be traded to, which doesn't look good for the Pens if Fleury decides he wants to stay in Pittsburgh. Given that there are only a handful of teams that need a starting goalie and don't already have a goalie signed for big money, all Fleury would have to do is name the 12 teams most likely to trade for him and the Pens will be screwed.
Well I shouldn't say the Pens will be screwed. Fleury is only 31 and is an above-average starter. Plus they have two promising young goalies in Jarry and Gustavsson in the organization. Even if they do end up trading Murray, the Pens have a solid future in goal.
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between his age inconsistent play and fairly large contract they could very well have a hard time finding a new home for fleury.
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Martin Jones didn't accomplish any of the stuff Matt Murray has so it's a start, but you'd have to add more, to get a Cup Winning goalie that isn't some fluke.
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there also wasnt an impending expansion draft where every team could only protect 1 goalie, so that should lower the value.
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I don't know about that. We're talking about a 22 year old starting goaltender that has already backstopped his team to a cup. And it's not like he's only had one good season, kid has been putting up ridiculous numbers at every level for 3 straight seasons now.
Even with expansion greatly limiting the number of potential trading partners, I think Murray could return at least a mid-1st and a quality prospect, if not more.
Seems like a pretty unlikely scenario given that Fleury has recently said he wants to remain a Penguin.
All he has to do is not waive his NMC and he's the starting goalie for the Pens again. If I were in his shoes that's what I'd do.
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Pretty sure MM won't be traded just because of an impending expansion.
Their last resort would be to bribe LV to not touch MM(thus still having the option to trade MAF or MM past exp.) or to buyout MAF(incures a 1.9M caphit for 4 seasons).
Pens are gonna dictate the situation on their terms, not panic because of expansion.
You're right. I highly doubt he'd waive for the exp. draft but that doesn't mean he's the starting goalie for the Pens.
Other things can be done.
Their last resort would be to bribe LV to not touch MM(thus still having the option to trade MAF or MM past exp.) or to buyout MAF(incures a 1.9M caphit for 4 seasons).
Pens are gonna dictate the situation on their terms, not panic because of expansion.
You're right. I highly doubt he'd waive for the exp. draft but that doesn't mean he's the starting goalie for the Pens.
Other things can be done.
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You guys are WAY overrating Murray here, I think.
You're attributing the Pens generally outplaying the Sharks to Murray, and attributing the Sharks playing a poor game/being outplayed to Jones. It's simply not accurate at all. The Pens were a far better team in the finals. That's for sure. Murray was fantastic when he needed to be, but he simply wasn't all that tested in the Sharks series. No doubt he deserved to start, he was really good. Jones was really good too throughout most of the year and the playoffs. He looks like Price-lite sometimes. Jones was a big reason the Sharks weren't swept.
So suggesting that Jones is inferior because he hasn't won the cup (as a starter) is just plain silly.
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you think fleury would want to go to an expansion team, knowing full well they would likely try to move him at some point as he gets older?
surely that wasnt what he had in mind when he got a full NMC
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Thank you for your analytical input. I am usually right, or extremely close.
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PIT will keep Murray. They can buy out Fleury and that's also Fleury's trade value if he would waive his NMC for a trade, no value. Other teams won't pay much for Fleury. There will be many UFA goalies available in July.
PIT might trade Fleury for nothing to save the buy out cap hit if Fleury waives his NMC, otherwise he will be bought out.
The funny thing is, if Fleury would waive his NMC for the expansion draft he even might not be drafted. But if PIT asks Vegas to exempt Murray from the draft it will be expensive
PIT might trade Fleury for nothing to save the buy out cap hit if Fleury waives his NMC, otherwise he will be bought out.
The funny thing is, if Fleury would waive his NMC for the expansion draft he even might not be drafted. But if PIT asks Vegas to exempt Murray from the draft it will be expensive
