Proposal: Matt Duchene to Winnipeg

[Daximus]

I think Duchene is the best fit for the Jets after researching. He'd be great for our 2nd line C, throw him between Connor and Laine or Ehlers and Laine.

What is the realistic cost? It's been speculated that the Jets offered our 2019 1st, Nic Petan and Logan Stanley.

It's unlikely he nets a high end prospect like Vesalainen or Niku. Not many rentals get those kinds of returns.

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[stempniaksen]

I'd hope for a single better piece than Petan/Stanley, but that package is probably relatively fair. Would be more about seeing if any of the Jets competition offered up a better package at that point. I think there are other contenders with better disposable pieces, but that doesn't mean they'd move them for a free agent.

 

[Chabot84]

Well do you want duch or not? If you want him then you offer your best possible package for him and hes yours. If you aren't willing to include a high end prospect how do you expect any Sens fans to be like yeah... lets make this trade!!

Doesn't mean your offer wont get Duchene... im just saying.. Ottawa considers your offer and continues shopping him to other teams.

Cheers

 

[Daximus]

I'd hope for a single better piece than Petan/Stanley, but that package is probably relatively fair. Would be more about seeing if any of the Jets competition offered up a better package at that point. I think there are other contenders with better disposable pieces, but that doesn't mean they'd move them for a free agent.

Yeah rentals can be all over the place. Some return high end prospects others typically guys on the edge and picks. I think Petan could really flourish if given the chance in a bigger role. We just can't give him that here with our depth. With Duchene and likely Stone gone he'd have a better chance of that in Ottawa.

 

[Maukkis]

Zero interest, unless we miraculously free up 10 million of cap space to keep him after April.

 

[tntkid]

If we sign Duchene he will definitely bail on us after the playoffs like Stastny did.
Don't want to give up too much for a pure rental.
1st pick and prospect not named Vesalainen.

I feel like we have a better shot at re signing Mark Stone if we try going after him.

 

[Daximus]

Well do you want duch or not? If you want him then you offer your best possible package for him and hes yours. If you aren't willing to include a high end prospect how do you expect any Sens fans to be like yeah... lets make this trade!!

Doesn't mean your offer wont get Duchene... im just saying.. Ottawa considers your offer and continues shopping him to other teams.

Cheers

That's what the team apparently offered. I'd be inclined to throw in another B level prospect but not likely to include Niku or Vesalainen. Guys like Spacek, Harkins, McKenzie, Smith could also be on the table.

Not sure what other teams would offer. Haven't seen as much chatter about Duchene as I have for Stone.

 

[Daximus]

If we sign Duchene he will definitely bail on us after the playoffs like Stastny did.
Don't want to give up too much for a pure rental.
1st pick and prospect not named Vesalainen.

I feel like we have a better shot at re signing Mark Stone if we try going after him.

It's not a guarantee either way we have to move someone else out to sign either of them which I highly doubt Chevy will do.

 

[Mortiest Morty]

I feel like we have a better shot at re signing Mark Stone if we try going after him.

Why in the world would that be the case? I'd bet he's getting more than Duchene this offseason. Unless you mean Duchene just wouldn't want to stay in Winnipeg at all for some reason?

 

[KevinRedkey]

I'd hope for a single better piece than Petan/Stanley, but that package is probably relatively fair. Would be more about seeing if any of the Jets competition offered up a better package at that point. I think there are other contenders with better disposable pieces, but that doesn't mean they'd move them for a free agent.

Pretty much exactly this.

 

[Daximus]

Why in the world would that be the case? I'd bet he's getting more than Duchene this offseason. Unless you mean Duchene just wouldn't want to stay in Winnipeg at all for some reason?

I think a lot of Jet fans think Stone would be more willing to sign here because he's from Winnipeg. But we have to move out a winger (Connor, Ehlers or Laine) in order for that to work, which I'm pretty against at this point. I'm not from Winnipeg so I could care less about having hometown boys on the team.

 

[Daximus]

Pretty much exactly this.

That is fair. I think the suitors for Stone are likely much deeper than the suitors for Duchene right now.

 

[Hunter368]

I think Duchene is the best fit for the Jets after researching. He'd be great for our 2nd line C, throw him between Connor and Laine or Ehlers and Laine.

What is the realistic cost? It's been speculated that the Jets offered our 2019 1st, Nic Petan and Logan Stanley.

It's unlikely he nets a high end prospect like Vesalainen or Niku. Not many rentals get those kinds of returns.

I’m not even sure I would give that up for a rental who virtually guarantee will bolt after the season. 20+ games he’s not making a significant improvement to the Jets chances.

Mark Stone I would be more interested in, only bc there is a much better chance he would resign here. Then we just have to move out cap

 

[Daximus]

I’m not even sure I would give that up for a rental who virtually guarantee will bolt after the season. 20+ games he’s not making a significant improvement to the Jets chances.

Mark Stone I would be more interested in, only bc there is a much better chance he would resign here. Then we just have to move out cap

I think Duchene is the better fit. We don't really need any more wingers. We need a 2C. Petan is likely not making this team ever, Stanley is a project but we have a few guys who I think are progressing to make the roster over him nyways (Niku, Samberg) and a late 1st is a late first. Not overly concerned with losing it.

 

[Trinity]

Rumor is the Jets already offered their 1st, Nick Petan and Logan Stanley for Duchene.

 

[Hunter368]

I think Duchene is the better fit. We don't really need any more wingers. We need a 2C. Petan is likely not making this team ever, Stanley is a project but we have a few guys who I think are progressing to make the roster over him nyways (Niku, Samberg) and a late 1st is a late first. Not overly concerned with losing it.

We need a 2C that’s a good fit with our system & the players he would likely be playing with. So outside of the “possible” character concerns with Duchene, his style imo isn’t a great fit. Stone is actually a better fit style and character wise even as a winger imo

 

[Mortiest Morty]

I think a lot of Jet fans think Stone would be more willing to sign here because he's from Winnipeg. But we have to move out a winger (Connor, Ehlers or Laine) in order for that to work, which I'm pretty against at this point. I'm not from Winnipeg so I could care less about having hometown boys on the team.

Yeah, but not everyone is a hometown guy, some people are pretty happy to bolt when they can. Or at least aren't especially attached to the old hometown. I knew he was from Winnipeg, but I can't say I know anything about his feelings towards Winnipeg today. You guys probably know better than me.

 

[Trinity]

We need a 2C that’s a good fit with our system & the players he would likely be playing with. So outside of the “possible” character concerns with Duchene, his style imo isn’t a great fit. Stone is actually a better fit style and character wise even as a winger imo

Jets don't need wingers though. Now trading Wheeler or Laine for an extended Stone, then I'm all on board!

 

[Daximus]

We need a 2C that’s a good fit with our system & the players he would likely be playing with. So outside of the “possible” character concerns with Duchene, his style imo isn’t a great fit.

I did a lot of research on him. I think he is the perfect fit to play with one of Ehlers/Connor and Laine. Fast, creative, good passer, good shooter, excellent at zone entries and excels off the rush. Laine, Ehlers and Connor all generate a lot more off the rush then they do on the cycle. Though Connor is no slouch there. Duchene is pretty much tailor made to play Laine's style of offence. Little s more of dump and chase, cycle kind of player and pretty much always defers on breakouts and zone entries. Which is why he is pretty much the worst fit with Laine. I've looked heavily into the #'s. Duchene is the guy we want to play with Laine, I promise you.

 

[Daximus]

Yeah, but not everyone is a hometown guy, some people are pretty happy to bolt when they can. Or at least aren't especially attached to the old hometown. I knew he was from Winnipeg, but I can't say I know anything about his feelings towards Winnipeg today. You guys probably know better than me.

I don't know much other than someone said his family doesn't like TSNE, the Jets ownership group, they never stated why.

 

[Hunter368]

Jets don't need wingers though. Now trading Wheeler or Laine for an extended Stone, then I'm all on board!

That wouldn’t happen

 

[tntkid]

Why in the world would that be the case? I'd bet he's getting more than Duchene this offseason. Unless you mean Duchene just wouldn't want to stay in Winnipeg at all for some reason?

This is Duchene after the Jets playoff run leaving town.

 

[Daximus]

This is Duchene after the Jets playoff run leaving town.

Is Chevy driving the car?

 

[Hunter368]

I did a lot of research on him. I think he is the perfect fit to play with one of Ehlers/Connor and Laine. Fast, creative, good passer, good shooter, excellent at zone entries and excels off the rush. Laine, Ehlers and Connor all generate a lot more off the rush then they do on the cycle. Though Connor is no slouch there. Duchene is pretty much tailor made to play Laine's style of offence. Little s more of dump and chase, cycle kind of player and pretty much always defers on breakouts and zone entries. Which is why he is pretty much the worst fit with Laine. I've looked heavily into the #'s. Duchene is the guy we want to play with Laine, I promise you.

Not questioning Duchene offensively, I’m questioning his strengths & weaknesses as that relate to our team system & Laine style. Laine excelled with Mark who did the cycling & board battles (& dynamic on the rush) etc, which is where Laine is weak. Duchene is not a cycle guy or board battler, he’s strong on the rush yes. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Daximus]

Not questioning Duchene offensively, I’m questioning his strengths & weaknesses as that relate to our team system & Laine style. Laine excelled with Mark who did the cycling & board battles (& dynamic on the rush) etc, which is where Laine is weak. Duchene is not a cycle guy or board battler, he’s strong on the rush yes. We will have to agree to disagree.

Duchene is actually just as strong as Scheifele on the cycle. Their passing and recovery rates are pretty much identical in the offensive zone. Their low to high, high to low and behind the net passing rates are pretty much the same as well. Duchene actually has a bit higher success rate getting the puck to the slot though and his zone entry stats are much higher than Scheifs. This season Duchene is every bit as good as Scheifele is at the things we want. I just think that his reputation from Colorado is still following him. Trust me he is a perfect fit for Laine.