Player Discussion Matt Beleskey

[BB88]

Sorry guys, plenty of 3rd line Bruins for the past 5-6 years have been crucified on here for 10-12 goals. I don't need to name names. If you've been on here long enough, you know.

Also who is he playing with right now, Loui and DK? That's not a 3rd liner...

UFA 3.8M is not 1st line money, it's 3rd line money.

He is on pace for career high in points(easily),
He doesn't get pp time,
He is not a passenger,
Among the leaders in hits.

Beleskey is not a 1st line talent, but he gives Julien a chance to test different combos, it's all about chemistry.

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

Sorry guys, plenty of 3rd line Bruins for the past 5-6 years have been crucified on here for 10-12 goals. I don't need to name names. If you've been on here long enough, you know.

Also who is he playing with right now, Loui and DK? That's not a 3rd liner...

Quit stat watching and actuallywatch him play. He's 100% effort/energy, and HE IS STILL PRODUCING. Why are you harping on him so much? It's not like he's not scoring, not producing at all, and not giving a ****. The complete opposite.

Some people just love to complain about anything they can.

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

UFA 3.8M is not 1st line money, it's 3rd line money.

He is on pace for career high in points(easily),
He doesn't get pp time,
He is not a passenger,
Among the leaders in hits.

Beleskey is not a 1st line talent, but he gives Julien a chance to test different combos, it's all about chemistry.

Doesn't matter, BB. Only has 4 goals = bust, overpayment, not worth it, fire sweeney, yada/yada. This logic makes me nauseous. He's been nothing but a workhorse for the team this year. He's producing for the team (on the scoresheet and on the ice), and gives it his all every shift. So he's been a bit snake-bitten in the goal department? Oh well, at 3.8 million, it's not a big deal.. His role wasn't to be a goal scorer here. He was brought in for exactly what he's providing.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Quit stat watching and actuallywatch him play. He's 100% effort/energy, and HE IS STILL PRODUCING. Why are you harping on him so much? It's not like he's not scoring, not producing at all, and not giving a ****. The complete opposite.

Some people just love to complain about anything they can.

I'm simply saying that him playing a heavy game is buying him a lot more slack on here, which is Bruins typical. Past bruins who played very important defensive rolls, but with a less heavy game, got far more criticism. What I'm saying isn't even up for debate, the past endless threads speak volumes on it. If Belesky wasn't a big heavy style player, people would be ripping on him right now. That's a fact.

Btw it may surprise you to know that second line wingers with 20 goal pedigree, who don't play the PK and aren't known to be decent in their own end, are generally brought in to fill the net a little. I know, it's surprising. Should he finish with 10 goals on that line (or really anywhere in our top 9), it's going to be a let down.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I'm simply saying that him playing a heavy game is buying him a lot more slack on here, which is Bruins typical. Past bruins who played very important defensive rolls, but with a less heavy game, got far more criticism. What I'm saying isn't even up for debate, the past endless threads speak volumes on it. If Belesky wasn't a big heavy style player, people would be ripping on him right now. That's a fact.

Good point. He is not the true scorer Krejci needs IMO. I do like the effort so I don't rip him

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

I'm simply saying that him playing a heavy game is buying him a lot more slack on here, which is Bruins typical. Past bruins who played very important defensive rolls, but with a less heavy game, got far more criticism. What I'm saying isn't even up for debate, the past endless threads speak volumes on it. If Belesky wasn't a big heavy style player, people would be ripping on him right now. That's a fact.

But....He's producing as well as playing that heavy game so i don't get what your argument is?

 

[BB88]

Doesn't matter, BB. Only has 4 goals = bust, overpayment, not worth it, fire sweeney, yada/yada. This logic makes me nauseous. He's been nothing but a workhorse for the team this year. He's producing for the team (on the scoresheet and on the ice), and gives it his all every shift. So he's been a bit snake-bitten in the goal department? Oh well, at 3.8 million, it's not a big deal.. His role wasn't to be a goal scorer here. He was brought in for exactly what he's providing.

Yep, hit everything that moves, go 100% in every game and put up points, he is bringing all those 3, while not getting pp time.

He's a player that can be played in every line and looks like a playoff player.

I'm simply saying that him playing a heavy game is buying him a lot more slack on here, which is Bruins typical. Past bruins who played very important defensive rolls, but with a less heavy game, got far more criticism. What I'm saying isn't even up for debate, the past endless threads speak volumes on it. If Belesky wasn't a big heavy style player, people would be ripping on him right now. That's a fact.

Btw it may surprise you to know that second line wingers with 20 goal pedigree, who don't play the PK and aren't known to be decent in their own end, are generally brought in to fill the net a little. I know, it's surprising. Should he finish with 10 goals on that line (or really anywhere in our top 9), it's going to be a let down.

He is going easily career high point pace,
how is that a bad thing?
40+ point powerforward under 4M is great value.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

But....He's producing as well as playing that heavy game so i don't get what your argument is?

I get that you think he's producing. I know he's got 5 secondary assists in his 11, I don't think he's producing. Let's just see if he turns it up a bit over the next 50 games with those linemates. I hope so. I'd like to think his low shooting % can't stay that low. Has to be snake bit.

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

Yep, hit everything that moves, go 100% in every game and put up points, he is bringing all those 3, while not getting pp time.

He's a player that can be played in every line and looks like a playoff player.

Definitely looks like a gamer in the playoffs. A guy who elevates. Just look at last years' playoffs. He scored some clutch goals for them. He's a player you go to war with. 100% effort all the time.

He is going easily career high point pace,
how is that a bad thing?
40+ point powerforward under 4M is great value.

That's the funniest thing about the 'argument' here. He is producing.....The goals will come for him. He's been badly snake bitten, but he has a good shot, and with his style of play, is always around the net. I'm actually happy he's proving he can be more than a shooter. He's had some key assists this season that directly led to big goals.

Honestly, he plays a game we all wish Lucic would have played (consistently).

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

I get that you think he's producing. I know he's got 5 secondary assists in his 11, I don't think he's producing. Let's just see if he turns it up a bit over the next 50 games with those linemates. I hope so. I'd like to think his low shooting % can't stay that low. Has to be snake bit.

Well out of those 5 "secondary assists," at least 2-3 of them were important ones, that he started the sequence with. Assists that led to game winning goals or big goals in games.

 

[13Hockey]

I get that you think he's producing. I know he's got 5 secondary assists in his 11, I don't think he's producing. Let's just see if he turns it up a bit over the next 50 games with those linemates. I hope so. I'd like to think his low shooting % can't stay that low. Has to be snake bit.

55% of bergeron's assist are secondary

Guess he's not producing either

Beleskey is 2nd on the team this season in primary assist 5 on 5 behind only Krejci

5 on 5 1st Assist

Beleskey 6
Bergeron 3

Even strength stats

Bergeron 4G 6A
Beleskey 4G 11A

Really don't get your hate for Beleskey but he is 2nd on the team this year in even strength points

 

[Pia8988]

If Loui isn't retained I think Beleskey would probably end up in his spot on the ice and that would certainly help his point totals. On pace for 44 points with no PP time which overall is fine imo when you factor in his other assets (effort, hitting, a random fight here and there) I think you find 30 GMs who would be happy with him at 3.8 mil from his late 20's to early 30's, great deal.

 

[bob27]

I don't want Beleskey on first line long term. Krejci and Eriksson could make anyone put up 40 points in a season. Points wise he is doing the bare minimum right now considering his linemates. I'm okay with him being a 3rd liner who can make top-6 appearances due to injuries etc. I hope that no one really though he was going to be a career 15% shooter after one season. His shooting percentage now is much closer to his career average than it was last season.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

55% of bergeron's assist are secondary

Guess he's not producing either

Beleskey is 2nd on the team this season in primary assist 5 on 5 behind only Krejci

5 on 5 1st Assist

Beleskey 6
Bergeron 3

Even strength stats

Bergeron 4G 6A
Beleskey 4G 11A

Really don't get your hate for Beleskey but he is 2nd on the team this year in even strength points

He also happens to be on the PK, PP, and take faceoffs. AND he has 9 goals two of them game winning. And he plays a vital roll defensively checking the best from the other team.

But you're right, if Bergy had 4 goals, 11 assists (half of which secondary), I'd tell you he wasn't producing. Belesky was brought here to play a heavy game and score 17-20 goals. He's not a 3rd line winger on this team, and he's second among forwards for even strength time on ice. He's basically a top 6 forward by every measure. If he gets 10 goals, it's going to be a bust of a season for him.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

If Loui isn't retained I think Beleskey would probably end up in his spot on the ice and that would certainly help his point totals. On pace for 44 points with no PP time which overall is fine imo when you factor in his other assets (effort, hitting, a random fight here and there) I think you find 30 GMs who would be happy with him at 3.8 mil from his late 20's to early 30's, great deal.

Beleskey-Krejci-Pastrnak could work next year - a grinder, a wizard and a speedster. Nice balance. I guess if we don't retain Loui a free agent might take his place on the first line though.

 

[BB88]

He also happens to be on the PK, PP, and take faceoffs. AND he has 9 goals two of them game winning. And he plays a vital roll defensively checking the best from the other team.

But you're right, if Bergy had 4 goals, 11 assists (half of which secondary), I'd tell you he wasn't producing. Belesky was brought here to play a heavy game and score 17-20 goals. He's not a 3rd line winger on this team, and he's second among forwards for even strength time on ice. He's basically a top 6 forward by every measure. If he gets 10 goals, it's going to be a bust of a season for him.

And Beleskey is among leaders in hits and 6.8 vs 3.8M( via UFA market) in cap hits.

How can a season be bust if the player has career high in points(easily) is beyond me.

 

[Greek_physique]

Really liking his game.

Sure, the goals are low...but when he hits people, he hits to HURT!

He's becoming more comfortable in our system and is fitting in nicely.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

I was on the fence about the signing, but dude brings it every shift....if only he could get a few bounces going his way.

 

[Dellstrom]

Sorry guys, plenty of 3rd line Bruins for the past 5-6 years have been crucified on here for 10-12 goals. I don't need to name names. If you've been on here long enough, you know.

Also who is he playing with right now, Loui and DK? That's not a 3rd liner...

Have you not read this entire thread??? It's basically everyone saying that he brings so much to the table, brings energy to every shift, and contributes even when he's not scoring.

No one is arguing that he's an insane goal scorer. Those 3rd liners contributed nothing when they weren't scoring. Beleskey contributes something every shift. He could score a little more, but the goals will come. He gets a lot of chances and it's only a matter of time before he pots them more consistently. I and many others are perfectly content with the way he's played. Points aren't everything.

At their cap hits, I take him over Lucic easily. Sure, Lucic is better, but he gives you 100% half the time. (Being generous) Beleskey gives you 100% every shift.

 

[LSCII]

Lucic has nearly 20 more hits this season than Beleskey. On top of 10 goals and 11 assists. People keep talking about how hard MB plays and that's great, but he was brought in to be a top line scoring winger, and right now he's not meeting expectations in that regard. So RedEye is correct in that he may be playing well, but he's not doing what he was specifically brought in for.

 

[Bmessy]

Lucic has nearly 20 more hits this season than Beleskey. On top of 10 goals and 11 assists. People keep talking about how hard MB plays and that's great, but he was brought in to be a top line scoring winger, and right now he's not meeting expectations in that regard. So RedEye is correct in that he may be playing well, but he's not doing what he was specifically brought in for.

What gave you that impression?

Those weren't my expectations. I will be very happy if he gets 20 goals, which is still very attainable.

It's hard not to compare Lucic and Beleskey. But if we want to I see it as we are paying about 50% of the price, for 75% of the production and 100% effort every game. I'll take that

 

[LSCII]

What gave you that impression?

Those weren't my expectations. I will be very happy if he gets 20 goals, which is still very attainable.

It's hard not to compare Lucic and Beleskey. But if we want to I see it as we are paying about 50% of the price, for 75% of the production and 100% effort every game. I'll take that

Uh, the fact that he was on the top line with DK from day one? He may have played himself down earlier, but he was reinserted right back in that spot as soon as they could. They want him to be that guy. They want him to score goals on that line.

Why compare the two though? Other than skating in his spot, Beleskey and Lucic couldn't be further apart as players. Really, the issue here isn't that he's not scoring goals either. It's that the team brought him in to score goals, if that makes sense.

He's a good player. He plays hard. He's getting points. All of that is good. All of that is needed on this team. But if you're being honest, you have to believe that Sweeney and Neely were expecting him to be closer to what he was last year than he's been this year, in terms of his goal production.

 

[zaYG]

Lucic has nearly 20 more hits this season than Beleskey. On top of 10 goals and 11 assists. People keep talking about how hard MB plays and that's great, but he was brought in to be a top line scoring winger, and right now he's not meeting expectations in that regard. So RedEye is correct in that he may be playing well, but he's not doing what he was specifically brought in for.

This isn't true at all. He was brought in to replace a fair amount of what Lucic brought, without the 7m+ contract that Lucic will command and without the inevitable HUGE decline that will occur the instant Lucic signs his name on that contract.

Lucic won't break 40 points next year, book it.

 

[zaYG]

Uh, the fact that he was on the top line with DK from day one? He may have played himself down earlier, but he was reinserted right back in that spot as soon as they could. They want him to be that guy. They want him to score goals on that line.

Why compare the two though? Other than skating in his spot, Beleskey and Lucic couldn't be further apart as players. Really, the issue here isn't that he's not scoring goals either. It's that the team brought him in to score goals, if that makes sense.

He's a good player. He plays hard. He's getting points. All of that is good. All of that is needed on this team. But if you're being honest, you have to believe that Sweeney and Neely were expecting him to be closer to what he was last year than he's been this year, in terms of his goal production.

I don't see why a player who once scored a lot of goals needs to replicate that exactly to be useful, especially if he is scoring even MORE points as a result of racking up assists.

Sure, he isn't scoring goals, but he also isn't getting much PP time, and he instead is being used as the grinder on that line who creates chances for Krejci and Eriksson that might otherwise not exist.

 

[DKH]

Lucic has nearly 20 more hits this season than Beleskey. On top of 10 goals and 11 assists. People keep talking about how hard MB plays and that's great, but he was brought in to be a top line scoring winger, and right now he's not meeting expectations in that regard. So RedEye is correct in that he may be playing well, but he's not doing what he was specifically brought in for.

Lonnie someone has to make up the 20 in the 80/20 rule so you are not alone here

Btw- still love Looch