Proposal: Matt Barzal comes Home- NYI and Van draft day trade

Habs fan comes in and successfully highjacks a Canucks thread, walks away with a deal.

Embarrassing. We Nucks fans need to step it up. And no I’m not blaming the OP, but you did lay the foundation down for a robbery.
 
It's Michael Hague year lol

As for the 2026 picks, how about:

Barzal

for

2025 Calgary 1st (they will pick before us)
2026 Montréal 1st Unrestricted
2025 Montréal 4th
Michael Hague



Montréal would then roll next year:
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Demidov - Barzal - Laine

Which is f***ing sexy IMO
Isles make this trade IMO and I would be sad. Having some version of Horvat/Hage/Ritchie down the middle in two years makes me a little less sad. Worth pointing out that they're 8-15 without Barzal this year, so they'll probably be pretty terrible next season too.

Isles go into this draft with something like the 10th and 15th picks, and then next year have something along the lines of 5th, 20th, 28th in 2026. That's a good two season retool
 
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So you don’t want John MacLean, I mean Kyle centering the 2nd line?
Lol I mean if we made this trade we would go from having just Nelson as a C prospect entering the year to having Ritchie, Hage, and probably someone from this draft (O'Brien if they don't trade up, Hagens if they do). Completely different landscape
 
Lol I mean if we made this trade we would go from having just Nelson as a C prospect entering the year to having Ritchie, Hage, and probably someone from this draft (O'Brien if they don't trade up, Hagens if they do). Completely different landscape
Personally I want to see if they can luck out and snag Bear assuming the top 8 go as planned. I don’t want them going anywhere near a goalie in the 1st round. Ideally this would mean rebuild if they did do this and unfortunately I don’t know if I could suffer through a few season of a team as bad as the 08-09 team. We both know they’d wind up missing out on that #1 next season even if they were historically bad because of Islanders luck.
 
That’s 17 too many and personally I didn’t want him from the beginning. It’s like the Canucks fans trying to shove Jack Rathbone down our throats a couple years back. Moving Barzal to Vancouver is going to take Wallinder or Lekkermakki (sp?) as part of the deal realistically. The best offer I’ve seen so far was a 1st, Coronato and a prospect from a Calgary poster.
Isles will need to add to acquire Willander. The guy is a Faber type package if he hits. but his floor is still a very good elite skating defensive Dman.
Downside of Vancouver adding Barzal is that he is a similar mercurial C as EP40, trading in defensive play for skating/transition, guy doesnt win faceoffs right? Moving on from Boeser and bringing in Barzal is not the age of the core also. It really depends on how dry the market for 2Cs are going to be. Mittelstadt is still out there for cheap I assume?
 
Isles will need to add to acquire Willander. The guy is a Faber type package if he hits. but his floor is still a very good elite skating defensive Dman.
Downside of Vancouver adding Barzal is that he is a similar mercurial C as EP40, trading in defensive play for skating/transition, guy doesnt win faceoffs right? Moving on from Boeser and bringing in Barzal is not the age of the core also. It really depends on how dry the market for 2Cs are going to be. Mittelstadt is still out there for cheap I assume?
This is what the teams don’t work. The Montreal offer moved a better prospect then Mynio and an additional 1st. I even saw the projected trade offer for Horvat in the other Canucks thread and laughed. Garland, Raty and some mediocre picks won’t work for him either. The Islanders really aren’t interested in being a dumping grounds to make everyone else better. Leave that for Chicago if you want to get rid of foster filler pieces.
 
This is what the teams don’t work. The Montreal offer moved a better prospect then Mynio and an additional 1st. I even saw the projected trade offer for Horvat in the other Canucks thread and laughed. Garland, Raty and some mediocre picks won’t work for him either. The Islanders really aren’t interested in being a dumping grounds to make everyone else better. Leave that for Chicago if you want to get rid of foster filler pieces.
yeah, not a good match at the end, something lower end and younger would probably fit Vancouver's needs, they are not contending yet. As I said, Sillinger/Mittelstadt would probably work better. Montreal has no need for more picks, they can trade their next 3 first round picks for all they care about to fill their holes. Isles are tough to understand, I believe they are trying to make playoffs every year with what they have? or have ownership indicated they are rebuilding now that they started the ball rolling with shipping Nelson off? Willander is ready to go, whereas Mynio/Hage are still a year or 2 away.
 
Personally I want to see if they can luck out and snag Bear assuming the top 8 go as planned. I don’t want them going anywhere near a goalie in the 1st round. Ideally this would mean rebuild if they did do this and unfortunately I don’t know if I could suffer through a few season of a team as bad as the 08-09 team. We both know they’d wind up missing out on that #1 next season even if they were historically bad because of Islanders luck.
Bear might fall to the second with the injury. He’s the kind of guy you take if you have a second pick in the first
 
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So basically 2 mid round 1sts in a weak draft and a mediocre prospect (without Hage as an option) for Barzal? Yeah, it’s 1sts and all but not interested in that. Flip the teams and would that be of interest for Cole Caufield? It would be like the Isles offering 2 2025 1sts, Quinn Finley and a 3rd for him.
This is running under the assumption that
So basically 2 mid round 1sts in a weak draft and a mediocre prospect (without Hage as an option) for Barzal? Yeah, it’s 1sts and all but not interested in that. Flip the teams and would that be of interest for Cole Caufield? It would be like the Isles offering 2 2025 1sts, Quinn Finley and a 3rd for him.
This is operating under the assumption that the Isles are shopping/open to trading Barzal. If it's not something they're only considering if a massive overpay is coming. Then no. This package doesn't make sense. Just like your example for Caufield wouldn't. But let's not get it twisted Mailloux is a big offensively minded right shot D who was taken in the first round. Comparing his value to Quinn Finley seems a bit straw man
 
You mean how NYR was able to get JT Miller with the mid 1st(likely) being the best piece

No Trade Clauses limit the return. It did on Miller, and it will on any Barzal trade.


Also might want to get familiar with Sawyer Mynio before saying Canucks arent giving up any quality prospects.
Might be the best pure-shutdown Dman in the CHL while steadily improving in the ozone and turning in 98 pts in his last 112 Jr games.
Miller has a full NMC. You were in a situation where he could have turned down any move, good chance he had a list of three teams at most and you had the possibility that any or all of them weren’t interested. You were also trading during the season so you had to do some cap gymnastics to make it work. Additionally, the whole situation with that team was toxic and you were desperate to get rid of him ASAP. Not exactly the same situation here.

All this is to say is that it’s not really a fair comparison but you want to use it as a reference to try to lower the value of the return.
 
Sure okay and BTW I think the OP's offer was typical of this thread as in not being very serious.
That offer was typical of what we’ve seen from Canucks fans for Isles players. Barzal is damaged goods from what they’re claiming so he must go for a lowball offer.
 
Barzal has a 22 team no trade list so it doesnt matter if other teams would offer more assuming he is willing to come home to Van.

If Van is in his available to be traded too destination, then Van only needs to beat out 10 other teams offer, and out of those 10 teams, who will have a higher 1st round draft pick available for trade than Van does, along with a top Prospect Dman.
Aren't you worried about the kneecap and his so so production lately, last year aside?

I mean I know and have been harping as much as anyone that the canucks need another top 6 center in the worst way possible but I'm not sure if Barzal is that guy unless he comes back healthy and he has a history of getting dinged up.
 
2025 1st Calgary
2026 1st Montréal
2025 4th Montréal
Michael Hage
Unless Barzal is completely healthy, I'd pass if I were the Habs but I'm really high on Hage and the 26 draft is really good and even a mid first rounder this year can add to the stable.

But as a Canucks fan I get the need for a top 6 center.
 
Unless Barzal is completely healthy, I'd pass if I were the Habs but I'm really high on Hage and the 26 draft is really good and even a mid first rounder this year can add to the stable.

But as a Canucks fan I get the need for a top 6 center.


I am too, but I just find
Demidov - Barzal - Laine
real freakin Nice for a 2nd line, with Barzal being able to jump in 1st line center duty if anything happen to Suzuki

IMO, Habs have already everything they need either already on ice, or in the prospect farm
Hage could be the answer for 2nd line center, but IMO, he's two years away
 
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