Player Discussion Mason McTavish

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He needs only 7 more goals and 9 more assists to match last seasons totals.
He could end up at anywhere from 48 points to 55 points this season. Even 48 points is an improvement over last season.
He’s on pace for 48.45 (I’ll round up to 49). Last year he was on pace for 54 pts. So a step backwards. Although he had a 20 game stretch wi the 21 pts. If he scores 6 in his next 6 he will be on pace for 53 pts over a 82 game season.

Just nice to see him playing well, he is a real bus driver for this team.
 
He’s on pace for 48.45 (I’ll round up to 49). Last year he was on pace for 54 pts. So a step backwards. Although he had a 20 game stretch wi the 21 pts. If he scores 6 in his next 6 he will be on pace for 53 pts over a 82 game season.

Just nice to see him playing well, he is a real bus driver for this team.
Oh yeah ur right. Didn't think about his pace last year.
So if he keeps playing well into the 2nd half of the season he could finish at 55 points.
 
Oh yeah ur right. Didn't think about his pace last year.
So if he keeps playing well into the 2nd half of the season he could finish at 55 points.
If he scores @ a PPG pace over the final 32 he will end with 58 in 76 games.

A pace of 63 pts over 82.

But considering he had 6 goals in 40 games to start the year. Anything in the 50 pts range would be a great sign, considering he was on pace for 39 season pts thru the first 38 games.
 
Don’t know why the argument. Of course McTavish is a third line guy right now. We don’t really have a first or second line.

On this team everyone is a third line guy; except true 4th liners.

I’d be more concerned if Cronin said Carlsson is a first line guy right now.

I guess we can now talk about top pairing.

John
 
Didn't even protest boycott the game yesterday was just genuinely crazy busy, but I'm happy to see Mac is continuing to produce at this third line level.
 
Hey guys, Canuck here. With is looking for a mid 20s impact forward McTavish caught my eye as possibly a good fit. What would it take to bring him over?
Would willander, 1st, hoglander do it? Willander would be a good fit with minty, gives you an extra first to use to bring another forward in and hoglander could use a change of scenery. Is this close? Cheers!
 
Hey guys, Canuck here. With is looking for a mid 20s impact forward McTavish caught my eye as possibly a good fit. What would it take to bring him over?
Would willander, 1st, hoglander do it? Willander would be a good fit with minty, gives you an extra first to use to bring another forward in and hoglander could use a change of scenery. Is this close? Cheers!
I don’t think that would be of interest, feel like the Canucks make out a lot better in that as well. Probably not the type of deal McTavish (or zegras ) would be moved in either.

If they get traded it’s probably in a larger deal for a player who is better than they are.
 
Because of the UFA status in 2-1/2 years? It’s a reasonable return for a 25 year old Norris winner. 1st, young top 6, and a prospect. Top 5-10 protect the first was implied if they want one from each other category. He’s instantly the best player on the team.

I think, overall, it would be a net loss for us.
 
lol gross overpayment I know that’s what it would take. But that wouldn’t be good for the depth of this team
It’s not an overpayment for a 25 year old Norris winner. Young top 6, prospect (neither Mintyukov nor Zellweger are proven, and neither will ever be remotely close to Hughes), and a 1st is the standard price for a top line/top pairing star player. Like I said about, there’d be some protection on the 1st.

Hughes makes the entire defense better by slotting everyone down. The 1st is unlikely to be relevant for 3-5 years, unless we luck into 1st overall, and I think we can live without one of Zegras/McTavish. It’ll hurt, but I think getting the 1D unicorn is something you go for.

My only concern would be if we cannot re-sign him in 2-1/2 years.
 
It’s not an overpayment for a 25 year old Norris winner. Young top 6, prospect (neither Mintyukov nor Zellweger are proven, and neither will ever be remotely close to Hughes), and a 1st is the standard price for a top line/top pairing star player. Like I said about, there’d be some protection on the 1st.

Hughes makes the entire defense better by slotting everyone down. The 1st is unlikely to be relevant for 3-5 years, unless we luck into 1st overall, and I think we can live without one of Zegras/McTavish. It’ll hurt, but I think getting the 1D unicorn is something you go for.

My only concern would be if we cannot re-sign him in 2-1/2 years.
That’s all logical. I get it. I still wouldn’t do it. We need to package that kind of deal for a tkachuk brother and let our young d develop.
 
It’s not an overpayment for a 25 year old Norris winner. Young top 6, prospect (neither Mintyukov nor Zellweger are proven, and neither will ever be remotely close to Hughes), and a 1st is the standard price for a top line/top pairing star player. Like I said about, there’d be some protection on the 1st.

Hughes makes the entire defense better by slotting everyone down. The 1st is unlikely to be relevant for 3-5 years, unless we luck into 1st overall, and I think we can live without one of Zegras/McTavish. It’ll hurt, but I think getting the 1D unicorn is something you go for.

My only concern would be if we cannot re-sign him in 2-1/2 years.
My concern would be that Cronin would immediately tell him to stop taking so many offensive chances and he would no longer be the guy we traded for.
 
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My concern would be that Cronin would immediately tell him to stop taking so many offensive chances and he would no longer be the guy we traded for.

Actually, Hughes would probably fit better under Cronin than an offensive forward. Look at how LaCombe has the green light on every shift.

Quinn-Trouba
LaCombe-Gudas
Dumo- Helleson
(one of Minty or Zell)

PP1 QB: Quinn
PP2 QB: LaCombe

Moving one of Z or McTavish could bring up RW Colangelo, either a 2RW or 3RW. But I bet Vancouver would actually play Z or Mac at center in an offensive role. That would suck to see either one flourish a top-6C.
 
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Hey guys, Canuck here. With is looking for a mid 20s impact forward McTavish caught my eye as possibly a good fit. What would it take to bring him over?
Would willander, 1st, hoglander do it? Willander would be a good fit with minty, gives you an extra first to use to bring another forward in and hoglander could use a change of scenery. Is this close? Cheers!
Elias Pettersson has to be in the return or no deal.
 
Hey guys, Canuck here. With is looking for a mid 20s impact forward McTavish caught my eye as possibly a good fit. What would it take to bring him over?
Would willander, 1st, hoglander do it? Willander would be a good fit with minty, gives you an extra first to use to bring another forward in and hoglander could use a change of scenery. Is this close? Cheers!
The Ducks are past the quantity need, if a young guy is traded it will be with a plus for an upgrade or player that better fits Verbeek's vision (but similar caliber player). Not the exact lines, but the Ducks have something like:
McTavish Carlsson Sennecke
Gauthier Zegras Terry
??? ??? Colangelo

Mintyukov LaCombe
Solberg Luneau
Zellweger Helleson

There are some guys in the system that can maybe fill the ??? eventually like Sidorov, Pastujov, or prospects not in the AHL yet and the Ducks have a top 10 pick (likely) in this draft. Ducks pretty much need guys to hit reasonable expectations and to hit on one of the later (non-top 10 pick) forwards to be good.
 
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The Ducks are past the quantity need, if a young guy is traded it will be with a plus for an upgrade or player that better fits Verbeek's vision (but similar caliber player). Not the exact lines, but the Ducks have something like:
McTavish Carlsson Sennecke
Gauthier Zegras Terry
??? ??? Colangelo

Mintyukov LaCombe
Solberg Luneau
Zellweger Helleson

There are some guys in the system that can maybe fill the ??? eventually like Sidorov, Pastujov, or prospects not in the AHL yet and the Ducks have a top 10 pick (likely) in this draft. Ducks pretty much need guys to hit reasonable expectations and to hit on one of the later (non-top 10 pick) forwards to be good.

I agree about the quantity situation. At this point, i's upgrade or addition, no subtraction for the young players. I disagree about the next few picks affecting if they'll be good. It will take a few years before any of those players are in the NHL and making an impact. Those assets should be cheap replacements for when the team is good or trade pieces to make a winning team.
 
I agree about the quantity situation. At this point, i's upgrade or addition, no subtraction for the young players. I disagree about the next few picks affecting if they'll be good. It will take a few years before any of those players are in the NHL and making an impact. Those assets should be cheap replacements for when the team is good or trade pieces to make a winning team.
I was talking about little down the road, not in the next few years. Vatrano has one of those spots for the next few years, Strome and Killorn are also here for 2(?) years. Sennecke is maybe two seasons out (26-27) and the draft pick from this year maybe the year after. That's not counting any FA signings the Ducks may make. All it takes is another Vatrano type signing (value 3rd liner) and it doesn't matter if those guys hit or not.
 
The Ducks are past the quantity need, if a young guy is traded it will be with a plus for an upgrade or player that better fits Verbeek's vision (but similar caliber player). Not the exact lines, but the Ducks have something like:
McTavish Carlsson Sennecke
Gauthier Zegras Terry
??? ??? Colangelo

Mintyukov LaCombe
Solberg Luneau
Zellweger Helleson

There are some guys in the system that can maybe fill the ??? eventually like Sidorov, Pastujov, or prospects not in the AHL yet and the Ducks have a top 10 pick (likely) in this draft. Ducks pretty much need guys to hit reasonable expectations and to hit on one of the later (non-top 10 pick) forwards to be good.

TBH, I don't think we need to hit on a non top-10 forward pick. Just look at the forward collection you identified.

If Colangelo can stick in the NHL and this year's top-10 pick is a forward, then are kinda spoiled with the forward position. We would have invested in six top-10 forwards since 2019 to 2025, provided we draft a forward with our top-10 for this coming draft. And then we have Terry and Colangelo. We can and should find NHL talent outside the system to fulfill all of the other gaps in the forward lineup or our GM doesn't know how to GM.

Top-10 Forward investment
2019: C Z (9th OA)
2021: C Mac (3rd OA)
2022: LW Cutter (5th OA)
2023: C Carlsson (2nd OA)
2024: RW Sennecke (3rd OA)
2025: top-10 pick?

We just need time for our young forwards' bodies to develop and have an offensive minded coach to cultivate their offense at the NHL level. If we cannot develop our top-10 forward youths, then our GM has truly failed the organization. Relying on 2nd and 3rd round forwards to be saviors is disgusting when seeing how much we have already invested in top-10 forward picks.

Speaking of non top-10 forward picks that could surprise, maybe that could be Russian Artyom Galimov? He could potentially be a 3C with some offense at the NHL level. We'll see if we sign him away from the KHL.

Just to bring this back to Mac (since it's his thread), I still think Mac is a centerman and might still be our best centerman. Mac plays the same way when Carlsson is centering him and when Mac centers everyone else. Carlsson stays on the perimeter most of the time and lets Mac or Killorn or both grind it out.



Defensively, I hope we can stop rushing our youth D. We have mismanaged our youth D this season. Currently, all the Ducks have available at the AHL Level for defense are all youth D. We have no fringe vet D to be that buffer at the NHL level as a 7th D. That means even if we want to put Zell or Minty in the AHL, then we are just bringing up another youth D in RLD/RD Hinds, RD Luneau, or RD Warren. Another youth would be sitting out for an extended period of time not developing on the ice.

We are very lucky to have LaCombe rise up to playing like he's a top-pairing D. He's ranked #8 in U25 scoring in the NHL for defensemen so far this season. Minty is our only top-10 drafted d-man and he's still learning the nuance of playing defense at the NHL level. Similarly, the same is said for Zell with his smaller stature.

It's kinda hilarious that we aren't panicked about filling out our blueline. We should be a bit concerned due to our lack of RD depth in our system. Without a 2nd round pick in this year's draft and it feels like we'll be drafting a forward with our potential top-10 pick, the org needs RD talent depth. I hope we're able to sign RD Moore out of college. He might be our fastest skating natural RD in the org at the moment and at 6'3 to boot!
 
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