Player Discussion Mason Lohrei

[4ORRBRUIN]

Steady reliable Parker Wotherspoon has done some head-scratching things this season. Zado has always been a bit of wild ride defensively, but some of the stuff this year has been amazing in a not good way. Carlo, Mac . . . ugh. It's really like all the weaker qualities they have as defenseman have been amplified substantially.

And Yet Mac is on another planet then any of them, its not even debatable. Wotherspoon was AAA last night

 

[BruinDust]

Honest answer? yes, he was.

He looks like a forward filling in to play defence he's that bad.

The kid is costing them games. He is not a dominating offensive player , not that it would be an excuse to put up with it. But it would make dealing with his shabby play more tolerating.

This season is looking like a dnq so mine as well ride it out with him and hope he gets it.

Fair enough. Although I will say he might not be dominant offensively he's providing a level of offense that no other D-man is providing for this team. He's one assist behind Marchand for 3rd on the team so it's not like he's not doing things to help them win games and that doesn't include break-outs he's made where he didn't get a primary or secondary assist.

And not every goal that is scored against them is Mason Lohrei's fault either. Whether that all adds up to a net negative we could debate all day.

 

[Dr Hook]

And Yet Mac is on another planet then any of them, its not even debatable. Wotherspoon was AAA last night

Relative to their skills, though, they are all playing really poorly compared to what they can do and what we've seen them do. It's kind of unbelievable, really. I have never seen practically an entire team have their inividual games fall apart like we've seen with this year's Bruins.

Whether that all adds up to a net negative we could debate all day.

It's always situational. Some mistakes hurt a lot more than others, like the gaffe last night. That said, it's a net positive so long as he is growing as a player. This sort of thing has to happen. We are not used to it as Bruins fans because they've generally had a deep D-corps with competent, if not great, NHL level guys for depth and they've been able to let the young guys marinate in Providence and learn the things Mason is learning in the NHL.

 

[weaponomega]

McAvoy , while not making that exact play, has made loads of horrific decisions with and without the puck that directly led to goals by opponents, especially while on the PP. For me, benching the kid achieves literally nothing, he`d next go out, grip his stick, be afraid to continue trying to create

This kid will learn from that mistake, I`ll wager he definitely won`t try that move again, he`ll make other mistakes but I disagree, I feel the way far too many coaches handle kids is wrong and detrimental.


so it is a coaching thing or a Mason thing cuz I`m watching all the D not understanding their responsibilities this year

I absolutely agree in principle with not benching a young player because of a mistake they make on the ice and it being detrimental to their confidence, but this play in particular bugged me.

 

[BruinDust]

Relative to their skills, though, they are all playing really poorly compared to what they can do and what we've seen them do. It's kind of unbelievable, really. I have never seen practically an entire team have their inividual games fall apart like we've seen with this year's Bruins.


It's always situational. Some mistakes hurt a lot more than others, like the gaffe last night. That said, it's a net positive so long as he is growing as a player. This sort of thing has to happen. We are not used to it as Bruins fans because they've generally had a deep D-corps with competent, if not great, NHL level guys for depth and they've been able to let the young guys marinate in Providence and learn the things Mason is learning in the NHL.

Good point. We as Bruins fans aren't used to seeing D-men essentially learning on the fly as we have been with Lohrei.

I'm not ready to give up on him, not by a long-shot. On a solid team with quality scoring forwards, running the 1st unit PP, I can see in his prime 60-70 points, I got room for at least one guy like that my D-Corps.

I'm not saying he's Quinn Hughes offensively or that Quinn Hughes is as deficient defensively as Lohrei, but I saw a thread the other day where people were arguing that Quinn Hughes isn't really an elite D-man because he doesn't kill penalties and to be a true No.1 you have to kill penalties. I'm like "do you really want a player who is as gifted as Hughes wasting his energy on the PK?" I thinking having one D who is employed primarily for his play with the puck, a guy who can run the top of the umbrella PP that practically every team uses, is essential to win in this league now.

 

[Over the volcano]

Good point. We as Bruins fans aren't used to seeing D-men essentially learning on the fly as we have been with Lohrei.

I'm not ready to give up on him, not by a long-shot. On a solid team with quality scoring forwards, running the 1st unit PP, I can see in his prime 60-70 points, I got room for at least one guy like that my D-Corps.

I'm not saying he's Quinn Hughes offensively or that Quinn Hughes is as deficient defensively as Lohrei, but I saw a thread the other day where people were arguing that Quinn Hughes isn't really an elite D-man because he doesn't kill penalties and to be a true No.1 you have to kill penalties. I'm like "do you really want a player who is as gifted as Hughes wasting his energy on the PK?" I thinking having one D who is employed primarily for his play with the puck, a guy who can run the top of the umbrella PP that practically every team uses, is essential to win in this league now.

Leading the defense in pts, 3rd on the team in assists, he's 23 and will make mistakes taking risks to try and generate offense, particularly when he's been so successful at it for this club in his limited time. Kind of like Pastrnak early on (and still today) you have to live with some of the risky plays because he's one of the few guys in the league that can convert on them.

 

[Beyonder]

Realistically what is the better option to waiting on him to develop? They don't have a D prospect coming up the system who projects to be better. They are highly unlikely to trade for a player at his price point that is a clear upgrade. And it's not like he has been on the NHL scene long enough to conclude, "this is it."

He needs to improve but as somebody already said, this is what it looks like when you have a young player learning on the fly. I'm much less concerned with him than with some of the more veteran players who will not be part of next good version of this team.

 

[BruinDust]

Leading the defense in pts, 3rd on the team in assists, he's 23 and will make mistakes taking risks to try and generate offense, particularly when he's been so successful at it for this club in his limited time. Kind of like Pastrnak early on (and still today) you have to live with some of the risky plays because he's one of the few guys in the league that can convert on them.

Exactly. Folks should go look at the league leaders in giveaways, it's practically all guys who touch the puck often and create offense, including Pastrnak. The league's leading scorer (MacKinnon) also leads all forwards in turnovers. 2nd among forwards is Kucherov.

 

[mjhfb]

His play was improved since new year (pretty much even +/-) until last game when McAvoy came back. Perhaps he unintentionally changed his approach, or just tried to do too much. Or perhaps he just had a bad game. But when you have a 6'5" rookie D man with hands and vision like that, you cut him some slack. At least for now.

 

[PlayMakers]

Remember that time he scored on his own goalie?

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

It was a Pee Wee level f***up. I'm not sure I've ever seen that in the NHL before.

Maybe Steve Smith for the Oilers against the Flames.......late in the 3rd period of a game 7, lessen I'm mistaken.

 

[ODAAT]

I absolutely agree in principle with not benching a young player because of a mistake they make on the ice and it being detrimental to their confidence, but this play in particular bugged me.

bugged me too, bugged Mason my guess is as well

 

[Saxon Eric]

 

[EverettMike]

Maybe Steve Smith for the Oilers against the Flames.......late in the 3rd period of a game 7, lessen I'm mistaken.

It's the only one I came up with.

 

[Saxon Eric]

Bobby Orr stick handled into his own net once...

 

[ODAAT]

first one a Bruins player, our old friend C Miller, also wearing #6

 

[22Brad Park]

Bobby Orr stick handled into his own net once...

Just hope kid learns from it.Love how he can weave around the 1st checkers but simple is good too at times.

 

[EverettMike]

Bobby Orr stick handled into his own net once...

That's not the same kind of f*** up, though.

Mishandling the puck/making a physical error happens to everyone. This was about him making the dumbest f***ing play you'll ever see. It was a decision error, not a physical one.

 

[RoccoF14]

first one a Bruins player, our old friend C Miller, also wearing #6

I remember the Colin Miller one. I'd argue that one was worse than Lohrei's.

Own goals aside, NOTHING will ever beat Patrick Stefan's gaffe against Edmonton. Unbeknownst at the time, the Loser Point that Edmonton got in that game definitely had Draft Lottery implications......

 

[wintersej]

Exactly. Folks should go look at the league leaders in giveaways, it's practically all guys who touch the puck often and create offense, including Pastrnak. The league's leading scorer (MacKinnon) also leads all forwards in turnovers. 2nd among forwards is Kucherov.

And Zadorov

 

[EverettMike]

I remember the Colin Miller one. I'd argue that one was worse than Lohrei's.

Own goals aside, NOTHING will ever beat Patrick Stefan's gaffe against Edmonton. Unbeknownst at the time, the Loser Point that Edmonton got in that game definitely had Draft Lottery implications......

Holy shit I forgot all about this.

"They should have sent a poet..."

(In fairness, he didn't actually do anything wrong. He was taking care of the puck and bringing it right to the net. Safer than shooting it. The puck simply hit a bad spot on the ice and bounced over the blade. Just an insane thing to have happen followed by the goal.)

 

[wintersej]

Ok here is a fun one. With the cap going up significantly over the next few years, would you roll the dice on giving Lorhei a longer term deal in hopes it is a steal when he hits his stride or should they go short term and be more sure, understanding that he could end up with a significant pay day?

 

[RoccoF14]

Holy shit I forgot all about this.

"They should have sent a poet..."

(In fairness, he didn't actually do anything wrong. He was taking care of the puck and bringing it right to the net. Safer than shooting it. The puck simply hit a bad spot on the ice and bounced over the blade. Just an insane thing to have happen followed by the goal.)

I forgot how sharp those dark blue Oiler uniforms were....They gotta bring those back.

Ok here is a fun one. With the cap going up significantly over the next few years, would you roll the dice on giving Lorhei a longer term deal in hopes it is a steal when he hits his stride or should they go short term and be more sure, understanding that he could end up with a significant pay day?

Not yet. Too early for me. He's gotta show more consistency.

I think he'll be a good player for us long term, but I'm not comfortable locking him up just yet.

 

[RoccoF14]

Holy shit I forgot all about this.

"They should have sent a poet..."

If Stefan buries that empty netter MAYBE....

Edmonton doesn't get that loser point, and jumps Chicago in the Lattery Odds, and MAYBE....

Edmonton gets the #1 pick instead of Chicago to select Patrick Kane, and MAYBE....

Boston doesn't lose to Chicago in the 2013 Stanley Cup.......

Its a stretch, I know.

 

[ODAAT]

I remember the Colin Miller one. I'd argue that one was worse than Lohrei's.

Own goals aside, NOTHING will ever beat Patrick Stefan's gaffe against Edmonton. Unbeknownst at the time, the Loser Point that Edmonton got in that game definitely had Draft Lottery implications......

oh man, forgot all about the impact of the Stefan gaffe