Movies: Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion - Part 4

[blueandgoldguy]

Maybe he will be a surprise announcement later on, but I'm shocked Benedict Cumberbatch/Dr. Strange wasn't revealed as part of the movie. He really should be one of the leaders of the Avengers. While Dr. Strange 2 wasn't a particularly good movie it made just under a billion dollars and broke even/had a slight profit after production costs/marketing and Distr. Cumberbatch has proven to be a marketable star in the Marvel Universe.

A-listers of the Avengers

Dr. Strange
Spider-man
Thor
Star Lord
Wolverine? Will be an Avenger?
maybe Hulk if Mark Ruffalo came back

That's really about it. Chadwick Boseman would have been an A-lister on the team but he passed away; his replacement, Suri, was an awful choice that no one takes seriously as the new Black Panther (Lupita Nyongo's character or M'baku should have been the first choice)

- Captain Marvel is a character no one cares about after her first movie (see awful box office numbers of The Marvels);

- the new Captain America is more of this weird amalgamation of Iron Man, Captain America and Ant-Man and Mackie doesn't have the charisma of Chris Evans (see the underwhelming box office numbers of the flop that is Captain America 4)

- Shang-Chi posted mediocre numbers at the box office despite being a solid, if not particularly great movie and the lead is not really seen as an A-lister, more in line with Paul Rudd's Ant-Man

- Scarlet Witch is borderline, but really more of a villain at this point given the events of Dr. Strange 2, but Olson isn't going to be in the new Avengers movie anyways...and I don't think her character has the appeal to be an A-lister

- None of the Marvel shows with the new characters really caught on to the point where you could confidently say that hero should be a lead with the new Avengers.

Thunderbolts is full of c and d-listers of the Marvel Universe. Fantastic Four is the wild card, and the old x-men characters are really there for supporting roles, maybe with the exception of Hugh Jackman who has proven to be a good draw over the years.

 

[Shockmaster]

That's really about it. Chadwick Boseman would have been an A-lister on the team but he passed away; his replacement, Suri, was an awful choice that no one takes seriously as the new Black Panther (Lupita Nyongo's character or M'baku should have been the first choice)

This is an easy thing to ask in hindsight years later - should T'Challa have been recast for Wakanda Forever?

 

[blueandgoldguy]

This is an easy thing to ask in hindsight years later - should T'Challa have been recast for Wakanda Forever?

I mean, maybe? All I know is it was a bad choice to make Suri the new Black Panther from the get-go. Her physical stature is not exactly what you want, even factoring in being a female, but more importantly is that she is the nerdy scientist. That's just not a selling point for this character. Imagine how well it would go over if the gadget guy in Bond Movies became Bond himself.

 

[Jussi]

Maybe he will be a surprise announcement later on, but I'm shocked Benedict Cumberbatch/Dr. Strange wasn't revealed as part of the movie. He really should be one of the leaders of the Avengers. While Dr. Strange 2 wasn't a particularly good movie it made just under a billion dollars and broke even/had a slight profit after production costs/marketing and Distr. Cumberbatch has proven to be a marketable star in the Marvel Universe.

A-listers of the Avengers

Dr. Strange
Spider-man
Thor
Star Lord
Wolverine? Will be an Avenger?
maybe Hulk if Mark Ruffalo came back

That's really about it. Chadwick Boseman would have been an A-lister on the team but he passed away; his replacement, Suri, was an awful choice that no one takes seriously as the new Black Panther (Lupita Nyongo's character or M'baku should have been the first choice)

- Captain Marvel is a character no one cares about after her first movie (see awful box office numbers of The Marvels);

- the new Captain America is more of this weird amalgamation of Iron Man, Captain America and Ant-Man and Mackie doesn't have the charisma of Chris Evans (see the underwhelming box office numbers of the flop that is Captain America 4)

- Shang-Chi posted mediocre numbers at the box office despite being a solid, if not particularly great movie and the lead is not really seen as an A-lister, more in line with Paul Rudd's Ant-Man

- Scarlet Witch is borderline, but really more of a villain at this point given the events of Dr. Strange 2, but Olson isn't going to be in the new Avengers movie anyways...and I don't think her character has the appeal to be an A-lister

- None of the Marvel shows with the new characters really caught on to the point where you could confidently say that hero should be a lead with the new Avengers.

Thunderbolts is full of c and d-listers of the Marvel Universe. Fantastic Four is the wild card, and the old x-men characters are really there for supporting roles, maybe with the exception of Hugh Jackman who has proven to be a good draw over the years.

"I Got That Wrong": Benedict Cumberbatch Admits His Status on 'Avengers: Doomsday' Has Changed He is in it.

Shuri became the Black Panther in the comics so it wasn't anything new. Nakia had a kid to raise, she had no time to do two jobs. And from a pure production point of view, Coogler and other have said they weren't mentally ready for a new T'Challa. So you basically had a risk of re-casting everyone and maybe lose Coogler and alienate a lot of the core audience for the movie. I was initially for a recast but after reading that, I understand why it wasn't done.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

"I Got That Wrong": Benedict Cumberbatch Admits His Status on 'Avengers: Doomsday' Has Changed He is in it.

Shuri became the Black Panther in the comics so it wasn't anything new. Nakia had a kid to raise, she had no time to do two jobs. And from a pure production point of view, Coogler and other have said they weren't mentally ready for a new T'Challa. So you basically had a risk of re-casting everyone and maybe lose Coogler and alienate a lot of the core audience for the movie. I was initially for a recast but after reading that, I understand why it wasn't done.

Just because something was done in the comics doesn't mean it was the correct move to make in the comics, let alone the movie. Black Panther 2 made half the money of the original and probably barely broke even. On top of that, Shuri's toys apparently sold terribly which further reinforces what a bad choice she was as the new Black Panther. Quite simply, the market spoke and the decision-makers made a mistake.

 

[Jussi]

Just because something was done in the comics doesn't mean it was the correct move to make in the comics, let alone the movie. Black Panther 2 made half the money of the original and probably barely broke even. On top of that, Shuri's toys apparently sold terribly which further reinforces what a bad choice she was as the new Black Panther. Quite simply, the market spoke and the decision-makers made a mistake.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

www.boxofficemojo.com

First one made $1,349,926,083 so drop off was about 500 million less, at a time when Covid was still making people wary of going to theaters. Budget was estimated between 200-250 million so if definitely made profit.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

www.boxofficemojo.com

First one made $1,349,926,083 so drop off was about 500 million less, at a time when Covid was still making people wary of going to theaters. Budget was estimated between 200-250 million so if definitely made profit.

All evidence I see shows it barely made a profit given the marketing budget was in the $150 million range and the movie was $250 million. $500 million less is substantial, not quite half but getting there. Covid wasn't a concern in late 2022. There was other Marvel movies grossing more than Black Panther months and nearly a year before.

 

[Jussi]

All evidence I see shows it barely made a profit given the marketing budget was in the $150 million range and the movie was $250 million. $500 million less is substantial, not quite half but getting there. Covid wasn't a concern in late 2022. There was other Marvel movies grossing more than Black Panther months and nearly a year before.

859 million dollars is well into the profit range.

What was the budget for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) had a budget of $250,000,000 . See how much it made and how it was used.

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How did Black Panther: Wakanda Forever perform at the box office?​

The box office performance of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was impressive, with worldwide earnings totaling $853,985,546. The domestic box office alone accounted for $453,829,060, showcasing its strong reception in the United States.

Break-even Point Analysis​

To determine profitability, the break-even point for the film is estimated to be around $500 million, considering marketing and distribution costs. With earnings surpassing this threshold, the film achieved a solid return on investment (ROI).

ROI Percentage​

Calculating the ROI, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever generated a profit of approximately $603,985,546, resulting in an ROI percentage of around 241%. This financial success underscores the film's impact on the franchise and its audience.

Was Black Panther: Wakanda Forever profitable?​

Yes, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was profitable. The film not only recouped its production costs but also generated substantial earnings, contributing positively to Marvel Studios' financial portfolio. The success of this sequel reinforces the franchise's popularity and sets a precedent for future projects.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

859 million dollars is well into the profit range.

What was the budget for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) had a budget of $250,000,000 . See how much it made and how it was used.

saturation.io

 

[Jussi]

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Where the hell is that from? Makes no sense what so ever from a pure math and financial sense.

‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Claws Way To No. 5 In Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever grossed $454 million at the domestic box office and $859 million globally.

deadline.com

Wakanda Forever charted 2022’s second-best opening at the domestic box office at $181.3M, following Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness‘ $187.4M. Worldwide, Wakanda Forever had the fourth-best debut for an MPA title, grossing $331.6M. At the end of the day it finaled at $454M domestic, $859M global. Some attributed that shortfall to the movie’s long running time (2 hours and 41 minutes), nearly a half-hour longer than the original. The sequel’s worldwide haul was also missing Russia; the first movie made $32M there. Even though Wakanda Forever was one of two Marvel titles returning to China since 2019, it arrived there three months after its global November release and grossed only $15.5M (Black Panther made $105M in the territory). By that time, piracy of Wakanda Forever in China had taken its toll on its box office prospects. Disney, now embracing a long theatrical window for its blockbuster titles, put Wakanda Forever on Disney+ on February 1, 83 days after it played in theaters, having made close to 100% of its domestic gross by that point. Global streaming/TV revenues of $170M include what Disney paid itself to put the movie on Disney+. Even though Wakanda Forever‘s global gross was off 36% from the original movie, the sequel still profits here at $259M.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Where the hell is that from? Makes no sense what so ever from a pure math and financial sense.

‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Claws Way To No. 5 In Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever grossed $454 million at the domestic box office and $859 million globally.

deadline.com

Same place you got your info from.

Anyways, $250 budget plus at least $100 million marketing emphasis on the AT LEAST. Disney Marketing budgets for big movies typically exceed $150 million, sometimes as high as $250 million.

A $250 million production budget plus a $150 - $200 million marking budget equals $400 - $450 million. General consensus is that movie studios split 50-50 with the movie theatres (less so in places like China) so a that means the movie would need $800 million or more to break even.

 

[Jussi]

Same place you got your info from.

Anyways, $250 budget plus at least $100 million marketing emphasis on the AT LEAST. Disney Marketing budgets for big movies typically exceed $150 million, sometimes as high as $250 million.

A $250 million production budget plus a $150 - $200 million marking budget equals $400 - $450 million. General consensus is that movie studios split 50-50 with the movie theatres (less so in places like China) so a that means the movie would need $800 million or more to break even.

Deadline is the more accurate source of information in these things, besides THR and Variety, and they're clearly saying it made a very good profit. There's no credible source saying they would have spent more than 150 million on marketing.

 

[Jumptheshark]

MCU Blade Rumors Says the Movie May Be Scrapped (but That May Not Be the End)

The latest rumors about the MCU's Blade reboot suggest the film has been scrapped for now, but the character could appear in another project.

comicbook.com

When I posted 2 weeks ago I thought this had already come out.

Several Vloggers wanted to with it but they were asked wait with the speculation until after the big release of Doomsday

While not outright cancelled. It is no longer in active development and they are starting over from scratch.

 

[Jumptheshark]

If what I was told was correct. Ali maybe the bad guy I one marvels future movies. A cerebral bad guy who is not doing bad things for the sake of doing bad things.

Take it for what it's worth. 3rd hand news.

So back to attack positions saying I know nothing.

There was an embargo in place my buddy was told about later

 

[Jussi]

The more known and reliable source Jeff Sneider saying Chad Stahelski is possibly directing Blade. Stahelski has said previously that he'd jump at the first chance to direct it. He hasn't reported about the project being put on hold.

 

[Roo Returns]

MCU Blade Rumors Says the Movie May Be Scrapped (but That May Not Be the End)

The latest rumors about the MCU's Blade reboot suggest the film has been scrapped for now, but the character could appear in another project.

comicbook.com

When I posted 2 weeks ago I thought this had already come out.

Several Vloggers wanted to with it but they were asked wait with the speculation until after the big release of Doomsday

While not outright cancelled. It is no longer in active development and they are starting over from scratch.

The right thing to do is have Wesley Snipes in Doomsday. He can play an older Blade for a few more films.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I figured people would be bored with all the nostalgia cameos by now. It was very cool in Spider-Man but that was way more relevant to the story and worked very well. Now it’s just something they’re doing.

 

[trojansoilers]

I figured people would be bored with all the nostalgia cameos by now. It was very cool in Spider-Man but that was way more relevant to the story and worked very well. Now it’s just something they’re doing.

I'm guessing these legacy characters will be making their final appearance, and it will be the official passing of the torch from the OG X-Men to a new cast variant group