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Martinez: Does He Stay or Go?

Gotta keep Jazz Hands even if it means letting a guy like Stoll walk.

More importantly, I don't want to change my avatar. :laugh:
 
If your built to battle for a cup you do not trade players that can help with that goal. You keep them and run for the cup if you can't re-sign after the season he goes on his way. If you chose to trade him at the deadline you would be getting picks/prospects and that won't help with winning this coming season.
 
Gentle Ben Kenobi said:
For fun let's say the cap goes to 73 mil. That means and you get Stoll and Williams to take pay cuts and that King signed for 1 mil. That means 22,585,606 in space


-King (1 Mil)
21,585,606
-Williams (2.5 mil)
20,085.606
-Stoll (2.5 mil)
17,585,606
-Clifford (1.5 mil)
16,085.606
-Toffoli (3 mil)
13,085,606
-Pearson (2.5 mil)
10,585,606
- Martinez (4 Mil)
6,585,606
-Muzzin (5 mil)
1,585,606


Regher is gone. We'd better hope that McNabb signed cheap. Maybe 1.25 mil?
That leaves 335,606 in cap space.

It's not looking great and I was pretty conservative with contracts also hoping that Top Titty and Pearon take bridge contracts
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Wow, those numbers are crazy weird.

King at 1.0?
Conn Smythe winner Williams at 2.5?
Muzzin at 5.0?

Amongst others, just way off.

King will get a two year deal this year at 1.5-2.0 easy based upon the market.
A veteran and key player like Williams is worth 4.5 for sure. He will get at least 4.0 with the Kings.
Muzzin is on a bridge contract, so he will not get 5.0. I think more in the 3.0 to 3.5 range, and that might be high until he has more negotiating room as a UFA. Martinez has a little more room since he is a UFA, but is more of a 3.0 guy based upon his limited minutes and lack of playing on the PK. He and Muzzin still get exposed more than you would like to think.

Stoll, maybe 2.5 because his offensive numbers are down, but he still has a value of 3.0 to the team. Remember, Pearson and Toffoli will have to have real solid break out seasons this coming year before they hit anywhere near the numbers you are posting as RFA's. The CAP should be at least 74 million based upon the Rogers TV deal that kicks in for the CAP in 2015-2016. It can work for all these guys, and I agree, it will be tight.
 
Martinez will be here beyond the deadline, there isn't a scenario where moving him makes sense for us, a (presumably) playoff-bound team.

We'll see if there is room for him beyond next season and what he'll cost us. I think he'll price himself into free agency based on his exceptional play against easier opposition and we let him walk, we'll be more concerned with keeping Muzzin anyway.

So, yes we keep him, until we can no longer afford him as a 3rd pairing offensive specialist.
 
Ollie Weeks said:
Martinez will be here beyond the deadline, there isn't a scenario where moving him makes sense for us, a (presumably) playoff-bound team.

We'll see if there is room for him beyond next season and what he'll cost us. I think he'll price himself into free agency based on his exceptional play against easier opposition and we let him walk, we'll be more concerned with keeping Muzzin anyway.

So, yes we keep him, until we can no longer afford him as a 3rd pairing offensive specialist.
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This is pretty much what I think happens. The only way he gets dealt is if McNabb absolutely tears it up in conjunction with Sutter absolutely doghousing AMart down the stretch for the playoff run. Then it makes sense for DL to move him if he's not getting run anyway.

If McNabb proves to be NHL ready, his projected spot is going to be next to Voynov, replacing Regehr, not AMart. He's a big guy with snarl, as DL likes to say. He's not a puck-mover like AMart is, which makes them 2 completely different types of LHD. For whatever reason, Sutter does not trust AMart to play second pairing minutes. It hasn't happened yet and I'm not sure it will ever happen with the options currently available to Sutter.
 
The Black1963 said:
Ok, someone mentioned that Amart deserves his own thread, so here it is. I'm also including a poll, because, that's just how I like to roll baby!!!

And just so we're all clear, I'm saying the smart move is to trade Amart sometime before the trade deadline (assuming we won't be able to re-sign). This way, we get to see how developed/undeveloped McNabb is, while not losing too much trade value in Amart.

Poll cometh...
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I think you are basically just trolling now.
 
If he's too expensive you move him and get a replacement for him in that deal or in another, i.e. by trading King/Clifford.
 
Winger23 said:
If the cap space is going to be needed, then I say trade voynov. The guy is suppose to be the 2nd pairing offensive dman but the only consistent thing he did last year was break sticks.

If Voynov has not turned it around by the all star break, much like Richards I trade them both and keep martinez with voynovs money.
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Sounds about right.

It's hard to answer a poll right now when there's still so much time left before a decision must be made. Generally, I'd prefer to keep players from a SC winning team than trade them so I lean heavily towards keeping AMart right now but it depends how everything pans out next season. A lot of interesting decisions are going to have to be made next season. It's a pivotal point but with Captain Lombardi we should get through it alright.
 
If he makes it clear that he won't resign or wants too much before the deadline then trade him, if not keep him, I still think he has room to grow
 
Do we have a defenseman not named Doughty that's better than Martinez?

If Voynov has another bad season, would you prefer to keep him over Amart?
 
WOW!!! 44-2!!! I knew it was going to be lopsided, but I didn't think it'd be this lopsided!!! :laugh:

Come on Deano, pull the trigger and make me look good.
 
Yeah, I think both Muzz and VV are better than Martinez.

I like VV's physical play over Amart's finesse play. In a perfect world, I'd like to keep both around, but if VV struggles this year, I'd be open to trading him and keeping Martinez.
 
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Willie Mitchell just got 4.25 on the open market, Martinez is looking at 5+ right now (from another team, not the Kings) as long as he doesn't tank this season. I think he deserves more than Voynov and less than Doughty but this is where Lombardi is gonna be earning his money. Next seasons contracts are a disaster, so many UFA's and RFA's, it's gonna be tough to fit everybody under the cap.
 
I see A-Mart going to UFA, he can make more than the Kings can offer, also play bigger role on another team. He would have to take a significant pay decrease to stay. He would also still only play third pairing minutes.
 
And that's been what I've been saying for the last few months. Besides, Lombardi's probably going to let Stoll walk after this season. I can't see him doing the same with Martinez. That's just too many good assets, right there.
 
On the open market, I see Amart's (26 yrs old) value as that of Anton Stralman (27 yrs old) on the open market. Something in the neighborhood of 5 yrs $22-$24M ($4.5 - $4.8) with a hometown discount between $3.3M to $4M for a chance to win more cups with the Kings on longer term. The big money question becomes who is ready to step in after 1 partial year of McNabb with the Kings as a 6 or 7 dman? 1 of them would surely need to be ready. My guess is 1 of Forbort, Colin Miller or Bodnarchuk should/would be given a chance to stick as a 7th D in 2016-17 if not after next year. Forbort would by then have 2 full yrs of AHL seasoning under his belt, Bodnarchuk would surely be running out of patience for a spot (size could be an issue tho) with his 3rd AHL year concluding after next season. Looking at the season stats in Manchester, i can begin to see where losing Gravel could be a potential clustermuck for the Kings if they want to continue to get younger thru the draft to keep the culture in-tact.
 
The Black1963 said:
And that's been what I've been saying for the last few months. Besides, Lombardi's probably going to let Stoll walk after this season. I can't see him doing the same with Martinez. That's just too many good assets, right there.
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Stoll's been quite useful so I'd be a bit surprised to see DL let Stoll walk.
 
niomosy said:
Stoll's been quite useful so I'd be a bit surprised to see DL let Stoll walk.
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Yeah DL loves Stoll, I think he would keep Stoll over Martinez. I think DL will try his hardest to lock up Marty, but if he does get more on the open market, we do have Bodnarchuck and Forbort who could probably take over on the 3rd pairing.


Getting a little ahead of myself I know, but with or without Martinez our defense is still in good shape going forward.
 
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