Martin Necas Or Jesper Bratt?

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

In fairness, this isn't necessarily indicative of who is better. A lot of people would take Necas because he may be close enough to Bratt that they prefer to have the guy who is 6'3, 210+ pounds as opposed to the guy who is 5'10, 180

Necas isn't 210+ lbs

 

[Forge]

Necas isn't 210+ lbs

Sorry. 6'2, 6'3 about 200? Doesn't really change the point a whole lot.

Not surprising if a GM would prefer 6'3, 195 - 200 to 5'10 and 175-180 pounds.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Bratt not close. Necas will come back down to earth next year.

 

[Foppberg]

Necas..

 

[Favin]

People are choosing Necas over Bratt? Necas plays negative defense, tends to float (and flop), has point totals inflated by one good hot streak. He is on top of my overrated list.

Bratt is legit star in league.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Bratt not close. Necas will come back down to earth next year.

necas is going to go the other way. 100pts if healthy

 

[glenwo2]

Who is better?

I don't care.

Bratt is on my team so I'm happy to have him.

Necas isn't so I really could care less whether he's better or not.

 

[Xspyrit]

The part you continuously ignore is that they are producing at the EXACT same pace this year…

Well, it is soooo obvious that I frankly have no idea why I have to explain it.

The reason why it is important to include Necas current production is because it gives a much better picture of his current ability. It doesn't matter if both have similar production this year. The current season has more impact on Necas overall numbers than Bratt since he has broken out for longer. Let's look at these numbers to understand better.

The comparison by the initial poster :

3 seasons previously before now (2021-22 to 2023-24)

Bratt = 229 points in 240 games (0.95 PPG)
Necas = 164 points in 237 games (0.69 PPG)

If you instead start one season later and include the current season (2022-23 to 2024-25)

Bratt = 220 points in 221 games (0.99 PPG)
Necas = 188 points in 216 games (0.87 PPG)

It is simple and PURE LOGIC to look at the most recent data to determine who is "better now"

+ 0.18 PPG for Necas vs + 0.04 PPG for Bratt. Not looking at the current season and looking one MORE season back in the past is manipulating the stats no matter how you slice it, hence "cherry picking"

cher·ry-pick·ing
/ˈCHerēˌpikiNG/
noun
the action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc., from what is available.
"it is an exaggeration based on the cherry-picking of facts"

That you look at manipulated stats or not, Jesper Bratt should still win this poll but the way I presented it is at least more fair and logic.

so going back to recent seasons and see who has been more consistent is a worthwhile exercise.

Of course, but not including THIS season is literally STUPID and there's no other way to put it.

Going back 4 seasons ago to make sure to include a season WHEN Necas was still producing 40 pts while it was the first season where Bratt started to produce more is intellectual dishonesty, hence CHERRY PICKING. There's also no other way to put it.

I did exactly the same thing to highlight how dishonest it is when I compared Jesper Bratt and Jonathan Huberdeau

2020-21 to 2023-24 :

Huberdeau : 283 Pts in 295 games
Bratt : 259 Pts in 286 games

I mean, all of this is so obvious, you'd have to be brain dead to not understand

I legitimately do not think you understand how to correctly use the term “cherry picking.”

Sure... I provided the definition for you above and I'll give you another one :

to select (data, examples, etc.) strategically so as to support a particular view or conclusion:

Now try to tell me that's not what the poster did with a straight face

 

[Xspyrit]

That's different because Huberdeau hasn't been a PPG player since 2021.

That's why it was STUPID from my part to manipulate stats this way. But I only did it to show why the initial 2021-22 to 2023-24 but NOT 2024-25 comparison was dishonest.

Everyone and their dog know that Bratt is superior to Huberdeau right now. But yet, you could also manipulate the stats that way to show a different story.

Please tell me @Regal is not the only poster who gets it?

People are comparing bratt's past few seasons to Nevas because one has a consistent track record of producing at near a PPG clip, while the other just started this season. Is it not then reasonable to take the player who has done it longer rather than the one who's done it once, and it's an unknown whether this season will be an anomaly for them going forward?

The OP doesn't specify a timeline either.

Agreed, but it doesn't change my point at all. I voted Bratt in this poll. I am still pointing out that you don't need to cherry pick (or manipulate the stats) to influence voting.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Well, it is soooo obvious that I frankly have no idea why I have to explain it.

The reason why it is important to include Necas current production is because it gives a much better picture of his current ability. It doesn't matter if both have similar production this year. The current season has more impact on Necas overall numbers than Bratt since he has broken out for longer. Let's look at these numbers to understand better.

The comparison by the initial poster :

3 seasons previously before now (2021-22 to 2023-24)

Bratt = 229 points in 240 games (0.95 PPG)
Necas = 164 points in 237 games (0.69 PPG)

If you instead start one season later and include the current season (2022-23 to 2024-25)

Bratt = 220 points in 221 games (0.99 PPG)
Necas = 188 points in 216 games (0.87 PPG)

It is simple and PURE LOGIC to look at the most recent data to determine who is "better now"

+ 0.18 PPG for Necas vs + 0.04 PPG for Bratt. Not looking at the current season and looking one MORE season back in the past is manipulating the stats no matter how you slice it, hence "cherry picking"

cher·ry-pick·ing
/ˈCHerēˌpikiNG/
noun
the action or practice of choosing and taking only the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc., from what is available.
"it is an exaggeration based on the cherry-picking of facts"

That you look at manipulated stats or not, Jesper Bratt should still win this poll but the way I presented it is at least more fair and logic.



Of course, but not including THIS season is literally STUPID and there's no other way to put it.

Going back 4 seasons ago to make sure to include a season WHEN Necas was still producing 40 pts while it was the first season where Bratt started to produce more is intellectual dishonesty, hence CHERRY PICKING. There's also no other way to put it.

I did exactly the same thing to highlight how dishonest it is when I compared Jesper Bratt and Jonathan Huberdeau

2020-21 to 2023-24 :

Huberdeau : 283 Pts in 295 games
Bratt : 259 Pts in 286 games

I mean, all of this is so obvious, you'd have to be brain dead to not understand



Sure... I provided the definition for you above and I'll give you another one :

to select (data, examples, etc.) strategically so as to support a particular view or conclusion:

Now try to tell me that's not what the poster did with a straight face

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe you’re still on this So what you did, once again, was show that Bratt has been consistently more productive in both longer and shorter sample sizes. Congrats on proving the original point you tried to dispel!

 

[Xspyrit]

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe you’re still on this

Well sorry I was not on HF for a few days lol

So what you did, once again, was show that Bratt has been consistently more productive in both longer and shorter sample sizes. Congrats on proving the original point you tried to dispel!

Agreed! That is why I voted for Bratt (not sure how many times I have to repeat it for you to acknowledge it lol)

I am STILL pointing out the dishonesty/fallacy/cherry picking from the initial poster that you're ready to defend at all costs. It can only show 2 things : stupidity or dishonesty. Choose the hat that fits.

 

[geebster]

Voted Necas since the conversation in here has been insane and I blame Jesper Bratt personally for this.

 

[Czechboy]

If you instead start one season later and include the current season (2022-23 to 2024-25)

Bratt = 220 points in 221 games (0.99 PPG)
Necas = 188 points in 216 games (0.87 PPG)

This was the part I felt was missing too!

Loved your Huberdeau analogy too since he's beating both of them in that span.

 

[Czechboy]

Necas was .77ppg in 2020/21 and that one gets left out in this sample too! This was a great sesason from him!

Bratt wins today and that's fair. Necas has been up and down. He had a good season, a meh season, a great season, a meh season and now a great season.

Bratt has been a very consistent and awesome force.

On the Necas vs Rants I posted Necas's last 110 Games played... Regular season, Playoffs, World Championshiops, regular season in Caroline and regular season in Colorado. He was remarkably consistent.

So it's either a 100 game hot streak or Necas has finally started to figure it out!

Nonetheless, Bratt wins this today. Would love to revisit this a year from now though. Using the most recent seasons. I think it'll be a LOT closer than people think.