Player Discussion Marner

666 · 2024-10-19T16:47:51-0400

thewave said:
You wanted to trade him two years ago didn't you?

Marner? Never me. Nylander sure.

IPS · 2024-10-19T16:50:58-0400

666 said:
I almost took that post seriously. I hope you're proud that you posted 16,000 times to a Leafs forum in 7 years because I'm a bit embarrassed that I've wasted the time to post 3100 times in almost 20 years.

You have to be the most melodramatic person I've ever seen on here.

So with all my posts, each post taking on average about 15-20 seconds:

16,383 posts×15 seconds/post = 245,745 seconds

So I registered this account on September 28th, 2017 - 2577 days.

So 2,577 days divided by 245,745 seconds, which is approx. 1.59 minutes per day spent posting on HFboards.

OMG, 1.59 minutes a day on average wasted posting on HFboards, the humanity!

See how utterly ridiculous your condescending nonsense looks in perspective now?

666 · 2024-10-19T16:54:02-0400

IPS said:
You have to be the most melodramatic person I've ever seen on here.

So with all my posts, each post taking on average about 15-20 seconds:

16,383 posts×15 seconds/post = 245,745seconds

So I registered this account on September 28th, 2017 - 2577 days.

So 2,577 days divided by 245,745seconds, which is approx. 1.59 minutes per day spent posting on HFboards.

OMG, 1.59 minutes a day on average wasted posting on HFboards, the humanity!

See how utterly ridiculous your condescending nonsense looks in perspective now?

Lololololol. Your math assumes that you spent zero time actually READING the forums and only posting. So funny.

Darcy Tucker · 2024-10-19T16:55:32-0400

This board is sick. Who wouldn't want to post here?

IPS · 2024-10-19T16:55:50-0400

666 said:
Lololololol. Your math assumes that you spent zero time actually READING the forums and only posting. So funny.

You get the point. In today's day and age with how much time people waste on nonsense how exactly is this supposed to be some "embarrassing" outlier?

You can cut out the melodramatic nonsense, that's what's embarrassing.

Antropovsky · 2024-10-19T16:57:46-0400

666 said:
Lololololol. Your math assumes that you spent zero time actually READING the forums and only posting. So funny.

Hard to believe you've been on these boards since 2005, considering your posts have the maturity of a 12-year-old's social media account.

666 · 2024-10-19T16:57:54-0400

IPS said:
You get the point. In today's day and age with how much time people waste on nonsense how exactly is this supposed to be some "embarassing" outlier?

C'mon man. How many posts do you read before you actually post something. You're kidding yourself if you think you're only spending 2 minutes a day on here. I bet you've already spend an hour or two in the last two days. Do some honest math and get back to me.

IPS · 2024-10-19T16:59:49-0400

666 said:
C'mon man. How many posts do you read before you actually post something. You're kidding yourself if you think you're only spending 2 minutes a day on here. I bet you've already spend an hour or two in the last two days. Do some honest math and get back to me.

I dunno, Maybe 20ish mins total? Mostly killing time waiting on other shit.

This is completely off-topic anyway, And in the grand perspective, who even f***ing cares how much one spends on an internet forum? If that actually interests you, you have one seriously small mind.

Antropovsky said:
Hard to believe you've been on these boards since 2005, considering your posts have the maturity of a 12-year-old's social media account.

Oh you mean telling people "you're a loser and you have no life" in response to their criticism of Marner isn't a well thought-out and sophisticated argument?

This guy is the biggest joke on here, the level of projection coming from this guy is just comical.

Antropovsky · 2024-10-19T17:02:45-0400

IPS said:
I dunno, Maybe 20ish mins total? Mostly killing time waiting on other shit.

This is completely off-topic anyway, And in the grand perspective, who even f***ing cares how much one spends on an internet forum? If that actually interests you, you have one seriously small mind.

Oh you mean telling people "you're a loser and you have no life" in response to their criticism of Marner isn't a well thought-out and sophisticated argument?

This guy is the biggest joke on here, the level of projection coming from this guy is just comical.

I suggest just ignoring his replies. Ill be doing that going forward. Unless he wants to talk hockey.

IPS · 2024-10-19T17:05:58-0400

Antropovsky said:
I suggest just ignoring his replies. Ill be doing that going forward. Unless he wants to talk hockey.

Probably a good idea. This is multiple times now this guys tried delving in on people's personal lives.

Just for me strictly - I don't get 2 shits about anyone's personal life on here, can't be bothered to care.

666 · 2024-10-19T17:06:28-0400

Antropovsky said:
I have many reasons why I strongly disagree, and this is just one of them.

I don’t think a regular season superstar would rank 13th overall and 10th overall in 5v5 P/60 in the league, especially considering Marner plays alongside a proven NHL superstar.

C'mon man, I thought you knew how to look this stuff up.
Last 3 seasons to get the samples up but avoid the Covid years 5v5 points / 60:

Player	Team	Position	GP	TOI	TOI/GP	Total Points/60
Nathan MacKinnon	COL	C	218	3610.2	16.6	3.22
Auston Matthews	TOR	C	228	3562.4	15.6	3.01
Mitchell Marner	TOR	C, R	221	3205.1	14.5	2.98
Connor McDavid	EDM	C	238	3869.3	16.3	2.93
Matthew Tkachuk	CGY, FLA	L	241	3338.6	13.9	2.89
David Pastrnak	BOS	R	236	3383.1	14.3	2.87
Nikita Kucherov	T.B	R	210	3239.3	15.4	2.83
Jason Robertson	DAL	L	238	3451.4	14.5	2.63
Nikolaj Ehlers	WPG	L	189	2534.7	13.4	2.63
Artemi Panarin	NYR	L	239	3620.0	15.1	2.62
Jesper Bratt	N.J	L	240	3268.6	13.6	2.62
Jeff Skinner	BUF	L	233	3109.1	13.3	2.61
Filip Forsberg	NSH	L	201	2738.2	13.6	2.59
Vladimir Tarasenko	FLA, NYR, OTT, STL	R	220	2881.0	13.1	2.56
Sidney Crosby	PIT	C	233	3535.6	15.2	2.56
Tage Thompson	BUF	C, R	227	3064.5	13.5	2.55
Carter Verhaeghe	FLA	C	235	3259.0	13.9	2.54
Alex Tuch	BUF	R	199	2713.1	13.6	2.54
Nico Hischier	N.J	C	222	2983.4	13.4	2.53
Leon Draisaitl	EDM	C	241	3811.1	15.8	2.52
Kirill Kaprizov	MIN	L	223	3393.0	15.2	2.51
Brayden Point	T.B	C	229	3379.2	14.8	2.49
Kevin Fiala	L.A, MIN	L	233	3121.7	13.4	2.48
Jack Hughes	N.J	C	189	2928.3	15.5	2.48
Aleksander Barkov	FLA	C	208	2724.7	13.1	2.47
Jordan Kyrou	STL	C	235	3304.9	14.1	2.47
Johnny Gaudreau	CBJ, CGY	L	243	3582.0	14.7	2.46
Robert Thomas	STL	C	227	3217.8	14.2	2.41
Nazem Kadri	CGY, COL	C	235	3205.7	13.6	2.40
Elias Pettersson	VAN	C	242	3279.6	13.6	2.40
Michael Bunting	CAR, PIT, TOR	L	242	3221.4	13.3	2.37
Steven Stamkos	T.B	C	241	3241.2	13.4	2.37
Brock Nelson	NYI	C	236	3239.8	13.7	2.37
Mikko Rantanen	COL	R	237	3898.4	16.4	2.35
William Nylander	TOR	C, R	245	3415.8	13.9	2.35

This is your last chance to concede that Marner is a regular season super star. I've only blocked one person ever but I think you're due.

Hellcat · 2024-10-19T17:11:37-0400

IPS said:
You have to be the most melodramatic person I've ever seen on here.

So with all my posts, each post taking on average about 15-20 seconds:

16,383 posts×15 seconds/post = 245,745 seconds

So I registered this account on September 28th, 2017 - 2577 days.

So 2,577 days divided by 245,745 seconds, which is approx. 1.59 minutes per day spent posting on HFboards.

OMG, 1.59 minutes a day on average wasted posting on HFboards, the humanity!

See how utterly ridiculous your condescending nonsense looks in perspective now?

If you believe that, not sure you understand what melodramatic means. Why do you feel the need to justify your posting habits? If you want to post 1000 times a day, peace, that is your thing. If a guy wants to take a break for the summer, peace, that is his prerogative, there is no right or wrong here.

IPS · 2024-10-19T17:14:51-0400

Hellcat said:
If you believe that, not sure you understand what melodramatic means. Why do you feel the need to justify your posting habits? If you want to post 1000 times a day, peace, that is your thing. If a guy wants to take a break for the summer, peace, that is his prerogative, there is not right or wrong here.

Because it's multiple times I've seen him go at posters with that "argument", and I just cannot wrap my head around it at all. Who even cares how much some folks post per day?

I'm actually fully with you on this one.

Hellcat · 2024-10-19T17:16:33-0400

666 said:
C'mon man, I thought you knew how to look this stuff up.
Last 3 seasons to get the samples up but avoid the Covid years 5v5 points / 60:

Player Team Position GP TOI TOI/GP Total Points/60
Nathan MacKinnon COL C
218
3610.2
16.6
3.22
Auston Matthews TOR C
228
3562.4
15.6
3.01
Mitchell Marner TOR C, R
221
3205.1
14.5
2.98
Connor McDavid EDM C
238
3869.3
16.3
2.93
Matthew Tkachuk CGY, FLA L
241
3338.6
13.9
2.89
David Pastrnak BOS R
236
3383.1
14.3
2.87
Nikita Kucherov T.B R
210
3239.3
15.4
2.83
Jason Robertson DAL L
238
3451.4
14.5
2.63
Nikolaj Ehlers WPG L
189
2534.7
13.4
2.63
Artemi Panarin NYR L
239
3620.0
15.1
2.62
Jesper Bratt N.J L
240
3268.6
13.6
2.62
Jeff Skinner BUF L
233
3109.1
13.3
2.61
Filip Forsberg NSH L
201
2738.2
13.6
2.59
Vladimir Tarasenko FLA, NYR, OTT, STL R
220
2881.0
13.1
2.56
Sidney Crosby PIT C
233
3535.6
15.2
2.56
Tage Thompson BUF C, R
227
3064.5
13.5
2.55
Carter Verhaeghe FLA C
235
3259.0
13.9
2.54
Alex Tuch BUF R
199
2713.1
13.6
2.54
Nico Hischier N.J C
222
2983.4
13.4
2.53
Leon Draisaitl EDM C
241
3811.1
15.8
2.52
Kirill Kaprizov MIN L
223
3393.0
15.2
2.51
Brayden Point T.B C
229
3379.2
14.8
2.49
Kevin Fiala L.A, MIN L
233
3121.7
13.4
2.48
Jack Hughes N.J C
189
2928.3
15.5
2.48
Aleksander Barkov FLA C
208
2724.7
13.1
2.47
Jordan Kyrou STL C
235
3304.9
14.1
2.47
Johnny Gaudreau CBJ, CGY L
243
3582.0
14.7
2.46
Robert Thomas STL C
227
3217.8
14.2
2.41
Nazem Kadri CGY, COL C
235
3205.7
13.6
2.40
Elias Pettersson VAN C
242
3279.6
13.6
2.40
Michael Bunting CAR, PIT, TOR L
242
3221.4
13.3
2.37
Steven Stamkos T.B C
241
3241.2
13.4
2.37
Brock Nelson NYI C
236
3239.8
13.7
2.37
Mikko Rantanen COL R
237
3898.4
16.4
2.35
William Nylander TOR C, R
245
3415.8
13.9
2.35

This is your last chance to concede that Marner is a regular season super star. I've only blocked one person ever but I think you're due.

I'll answer for the Low Info Crowd ... yeah but.....

666 · 2024-10-19T17:17:07-0400

Hellcat said:
I'll answer for the Low Info Crowd ... yeah but.....

Sometimes it's just too easy.

Clark4Ever · 2024-10-19T17:25:09-0400

666 said:
C'mon man, I thought you knew how to look this stuff up.
Last 3 seasons to get the samples up but avoid the Covid years 5v5 points / 60:

Player Team Position GP TOI TOI/GP Total Points/60
Nathan MacKinnon COL C
218
3610.2
16.6
3.22
Auston Matthews TOR C
228
3562.4
15.6
3.01
Mitchell Marner TOR C, R
221
3205.1
14.5
2.98
Connor McDavid EDM C
238
3869.3
16.3
2.93
Matthew Tkachuk CGY, FLA L
241
3338.6
13.9
2.89
David Pastrnak BOS R
236
3383.1
14.3
2.87
Nikita Kucherov T.B R
210
3239.3
15.4
2.83
Jason Robertson DAL L
238
3451.4
14.5
2.63
Nikolaj Ehlers WPG L
189
2534.7
13.4
2.63
Artemi Panarin NYR L
239
3620.0
15.1
2.62
Jesper Bratt N.J L
240
3268.6
13.6
2.62
Jeff Skinner BUF L
233
3109.1
13.3
2.61
Filip Forsberg NSH L
201
2738.2
13.6
2.59
Vladimir Tarasenko FLA, NYR, OTT, STL R
220
2881.0
13.1
2.56
Sidney Crosby PIT C
233
3535.6
15.2
2.56
Tage Thompson BUF C, R
227
3064.5
13.5
2.55
Carter Verhaeghe FLA C
235
3259.0
13.9
2.54
Alex Tuch BUF R
199
2713.1
13.6
2.54
Nico Hischier N.J C
222
2983.4
13.4
2.53
Leon Draisaitl EDM C
241
3811.1
15.8
2.52
Kirill Kaprizov MIN L
223
3393.0
15.2
2.51
Brayden Point T.B C
229
3379.2
14.8
2.49
Kevin Fiala L.A, MIN L
233
3121.7
13.4
2.48
Jack Hughes N.J C
189
2928.3
15.5
2.48
Aleksander Barkov FLA C
208
2724.7
13.1
2.47
Jordan Kyrou STL C
235
3304.9
14.1
2.47
Johnny Gaudreau CBJ, CGY L
243
3582.0
14.7
2.46
Robert Thomas STL C
227
3217.8
14.2
2.41
Nazem Kadri CGY, COL C
235
3205.7
13.6
2.40
Elias Pettersson VAN C
242
3279.6
13.6
2.40
Michael Bunting CAR, PIT, TOR L
242
3221.4
13.3
2.37
Steven Stamkos T.B C
241
3241.2
13.4
2.37
Brock Nelson NYI C
236
3239.8
13.7
2.37
Mikko Rantanen COL R
237
3898.4
16.4
2.35
William Nylander TOR C, R
245
3415.8
13.9
2.35

This is your last chance to concede that Marner is a regular season super star. I've only blocked one person ever but I think you're due.

I don't think many would argue that he has consistently been among the best point producers in the regular season for many years now.

The issue many of us have is that he hasn't been able to translate that regular season success in the playoffs. In fairness to him, he's not the only core player to have struggled in that regard, but Marner in particular seems to have struggled in all facets of the game in the playoffs. He has been a borderline liability at times with the lack of time and space in the post season.

I have been a proponent of trading him in the past to better utilize the cap space elsewhere, but if Berube is able to unleash something in Marner in the post season, I would be happy to eat crow and support the decision to sign him to a lucrative contract extension in Toronto.

666 · 2024-10-19T17:30:01-0400

Clark4Ever said:
I don't think many would argue that he has consistently been among the best point producers in the regular season for many years now.

The issue many of us have is that he hasn't been able to translate that regular season success in the playoffs. In fairness to him, he's not the only core player to have struggled in that regard, but Marner in particular seems to have struggled in all facets of the game in the playoffs. He has been a borderline lability at times with the lack of time and space in the post season.

I have been a proponent of trading him in the past to better utilize the cap space elsewhere, but if Berube is able unleash something in Marner in the post season, I would be happy to eat crow and support the decision to sign him to a lucrative contract extension in Toronto.

I don't recognize you but some of us have been dealing with people who think Marner sucks even in the regular season for years now. You may take over the mantle of trying to change their minds. There are more than you think.

As for the playoffs, if you care, go back to about page 12 and read my posts particularly about defensive play.

HolyCrap · 2024-10-19T17:32:33-0400

Antropovsky said:
I suggest just ignoring his replies. Ill be doing that going forward. Unless he wants to talk hockey.

I had to add another one to the special list so I don’t see their trolling and flaming. Ignore function is our friend.

diceman934 · 2024-10-19T17:45:15-0400

Clark4Ever said:
I don't think many would argue that he has consistently been among the best point producers in the regular season for many years now.

The issue many of us have is that he hasn't been able to translate that regular season success in the playoffs. In fairness to him, he's not the only core player to have struggled in that regard, but Marner in particular seems to have struggled in all facets of the game in the playoffs. He has been a borderline liability at times with the lack of time and space in the post season.

I have been a proponent of trading him in the past to better utilize the cap space elsewhere, but if Berube is able to unleash something in Marner in the post season, I would be happy to eat crow and support the decision to sign him to a lucrative contract extension in Toronto.

Yet he has more playoff points then any leaf player. This past playoffs he was a huge plus player.

Suntouchable13 · 2024-10-19T17:54:17-0400

I don't understand, this team couldn't win jack when they were younger. Now they are just getting older and more expensive without any success. How do you expect to win? It's a waste of time following this team. Marner can f*** off. Seriously. So you guys expect to win with him making more money, but getting older and slower with every passing season? Insanity.

Why you guys expect to be different than Chicago? They actually won when that core was young and relatively cheap. Once they got older and more expensive they won nothing. We won nothin when our core was younger and cheaper, but you expect to win when they are older and much more expensive?

Gary Nylund · 2024-10-19T17:55:30-0400

diceman934 said:
Yet he has more playoff points then any leaf player. This past playoffs he was a huge plus player.

Do you think plus/minus is a good way to measure a players worth?

Do you think he played well in the playoffs against Boston last season?

Do you think he played well in the playoffs against Florida the season before that?

Punch Drunk Loov · 2024-10-19T19:11:25-0400

Suntouchable13 said:
I don't understand, this team couldn't win jack when they were younger. Now they are just getting older and more expensive without any success. How do you expect to win? It's a waste of time following this team. Marner can f*** off. Seriously. So you guys expect to win with him making more money, but getting older and slower with every passing season? Insanity.

Why you guys expect to be different than Chicago? They actually won when that core was young and relatively cheap. Once they got older and more expensive they won nothing. We won nothin when our core was younger and cheaper, but you expect to win when they are older and much more expensive?

It's really as simple as this

Racer88 · 2024-10-19T19:21:29-0400

Hellcat said:
Disingenuous, he has produced at a pace over 100 points multiple times.

So why sign Matthews or Nylander then?

He has never produced 100 points. Real points not expected or projected points real points. Prove me wrong

notDatsyuk · 2024-10-19T19:35:36-0400

Confucius said:
50 points in 57 playoff games is .877 per game, which is more than William’s .876 per game regular season game

Now try a more reasonable time frame - even 5 years.

Regular season PPG, playoffs, difference:

Matthews 1.27 1.00 drop .27
Marner 1.24 0.89 drop .35
Nylander 1.01 0.94 drop .07

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