Player Discussion Marner

[ZEBROA]

the truth is none of the Core Four have truly showed up when the season was on the line.

Whataboutism...

Some think his money elsewere can make us better overall, some dont.

I think it can make us better , but i would not bet on it. Need to be managed realy carefull in that case. Is he a fantastic player , hell yeah. But in think he could be mentaly stronger.

 

[ACC1224]

OK so Point was picked because he is on Coopers team and he is a C... whooptee doo..... If you are Marner and are picked 20th, who cares. More than likely most players would prefer to spend some R & R on the beach vs play in a meaningless cash cow for the NHL. Honestly who freaking cares?



Word salad .... thanks...

I don't think this is true at all. Players are very excited to represent their country and play in this thing. It's been way too long and many have never had the opportunity.

 

[thewave]

I’m not saying MM deserves to be in the top 6 or whatever. The top 6 thing is irrelevant today it’s more of a marketing thing. They named 5 forwards and one dman. There’s a few dman I would have committed to before point. But I do think Points relationship with Cooper does play a huge factor into it. Coaches will always choose their guys. I coached high level youth sport and then was fortunate enough to coach both the provincial team and youth national team. I went to bat for a few of my players to be on both the provincial and youth national while I was on those coaching staffs. I trusted those players.

We also have anecdotal evidence from the lightning organization that this kind of stuff matters to the players. It mattered so much that St. Louis requested a trade.



Just a horrible take. Not even worth a response.

Top 6 is important. He is seeking to be like a top 2 Winger as far as pay goes.

Reality is even right now. Nylander and Domi at 4 and 5 points respectively matching MMs 5 pts have a +6 vs MM +2.

Mitch is still throwing the puck away to avoid contact. Yes he is getting some points in bunches and looking good. The question again will be is he playoff good or legitimately a top 2 winger asking for I imagine what he feels is a fair 12m+ ask.

This thread really comes down to Leafs fans vs Marner stans. They are two different beasts.

 

[DarkKnight]

Love Marner’s gsme so far this year. Easily the best Pker too, great defensively, smart, quick decisions. Encouraging play on the wall as well, more engaged there, nobody expects dominance, just get dirty. He’s buying into Berube’s approach, and the coach seems to love him, trust him, probably because he isn’t some jaundiced obsessive with nothing else to do but tear the guy down.

Great start, keep it up.

 

[Hellcat]

I don't think this is true at all. Players are very excited to represent their country and play in this thing. It's been way too long and many have never had the opportunity.

It's the All Star break by another name, there is a world of difference in wanting to play for your country in the Olympics and playing for your country in a meaningless NHL All Star gimmic, it's well known that the vast majority of players want the R & R time during the break vs playing in an All Star game.

 

[Hellcat]

What are you, 9 years old? I went to bed ... chief.

You're constantly abrasive, condescending, going off on weird tangents ... I hate to break it to you but that's the opposite of "logical thought process".

LOL... you're asking me if I'm 9 years old? Who is the person who is isolating 3 games each year and making an all encompassing statement about a players value?

You still haven't answered my questions, I suppose if you cant defend your position, abandon it? Priceless.

I'm only abrasive to poorly though out absolute statements that deserve scrutiny, if you can't take the heat Chief....

Yes he is getting some points in bunches and looking good.

Elite stars tend to do that ...

 

[thewave]

LOL... you're asking me if I'm 9 years old? Who is the person who is isolating 3 games each year and making an all encompassing statement about a players value?

You still haven't answered my questions, I suppose if you cant defend your position, abandon it? Priceless.

I'm only abrasive to poorly though out absolute statements that deserve scrutiny, if you can't take the heat Chief....



Elite stars tend to do that ...

That's fine. I want him to be good. I was one of the first here to say he is looking quicker than last season. The thing is I am a Leafs fan and so just like I can say with a straight face that the 11.5m WN got was a overpay, MM even at 11m or any more will also be an overpay and it matters.

Obviously more cap means more depth and depth is winning in the NHL

The pain will come when paying MM to twirl comes at the expense of Knies or other depth that breaks through. Like. Sorry Stolarz, we ain't got that extra million the other guy is offering. MM ate it up and we need to make a team here.

 

[GoonieFace]

Love Marner’s gsme so far this year. Easily the best Pker too, great defensively, smart, quick decisions. Encouraging play on the wall as well, more engaged there, nobody expects dominance, just get dirty. He’s buying into Berube’s approach, and the coach seems to love him, trust him, probably because he isn’t some jaundiced obsessive with nothing else to do but tear the guy down.

Great start, keep it up.

Agreed, he has played very well so far. Definitely looks more willing to fight for those loose pucks. The whole team has bought in so far, let’s hope they keep it up. Fear is a still a great motivator I guess

 

[francis246]

Top 6 is important. He is seeking to be like a top 2 Winger as far as pay goes.

Reality is even right now. Nylander and Domi at 4 and 5 points respectively matching MMs 5 pts have a +6 vs MM +2.

Mitch is still throwing the puck away to avoid contact. Yes he is getting some points in bunches and looking good. The question again will be is he playoff good or legitimately a top 2 winger asking for I imagine what he feels is a fair 12m+ ask.

This thread really comes down to Leafs fans vs Marner stans. They are two different beasts.

No this thread doesn’t come down to that. And if you’re level of thinking is that binary then idk what to tell you.

I like Marner because he is a Toronto Maple Leaf. Not because he is Mitch Marner. The moment Marner is not a leaf I will not care for him as much if at all. It was the same thing for me once Kadri was traded and once JVR left for UFA. I believe this is true for a majority of people.

Additionally no one knows what Marner is seeking right now. This go around things have been quiet. For all we know he might be willing to take 11.5 to stay a leaf. Everything you’ve said is speculative and nothing based on any true knowledge of the negotiation.

 

[ACC1224]

It's the All Star break by another name, there is a world of difference in wanting to play for your country in the Olympics and playing for your country in a meaningless NHL All Star gimmic, it's well known that the vast majority of players want the R & R time during the break vs playing in an All Star game.

This isn't an All Star game, not even close and players will see this as giving themselves an inside track on going to the Olympics.

Love Marner’s gsme so far this year. Easily the best Pker too, great defensively, smart, quick decisions. Encouraging play on the wall as well, more engaged there, nobody expects dominance, just get dirty. He’s buying into Berube’s approach, and the coach seems to love him, trust him, probably because he isn’t some jaundiced obsessive with nothing else to do but tear the guy down.

Great start, keep it up.

If we're being honest he's been the best forward all around to start the season.

 

[thewave]

No this thread doesn’t come down to that. And if you’re level of thinking is that binary then idk what to tell you.

I like Marner because he is a Toronto Maple Leaf. Not because he is Mitch Marner. The moment Marner is not a leaf I will not care for him as much if at all. It was the same thing for me once Kadri was traded and once JVR left for UFA. I believe this is true for a majority of people.

Additionally no one knows what Marner is seeking right now. This go around things have been quiet. For all we know he might be willing to take 11.5 to stay a leaf. Everything you’ve said is speculative and nothing based on any true knowledge of the negotiation.

OK but don't be shocked when Knies or Stolarz has to go because of another stupid overpay. You only get one in this league and we are carrying 3 right now.

WN MM JT all overpays right now.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

He has his flaws, but this is the best he has looked in a few years.

 

[Antropovsky]

But guys, the one year he played with Tavares he scored like 45 goals.

Ignoring that's the one year Tavares was actually elite with the Leafs before a headlong dive into regression.

Meanwhile Matthews did better last year without Marner on his line lmao.

Tavares also had 84 points the year before with thr Islanders, just 4 points less than 2019 with Leafs.

Of course he's going to need to score more playing with Marner.... he certainly wasn't going to teach 80+ points getting assists with Marner lol.like a blogger noted about Tavares, he can pass or shoot and he ls able to adapt that ability around the strengths of his linemates.

Additionally, Tavares was taking less reps vs other teams best defensive players because Matthews line was getting them. Research has proven that quality of competition matter, just not as much as quality if linemates.

so 4 more points playing with Leags vs previous year wirh Islanders, while also facing the oppositions best players less. Not to mention other motivating factors such as playing for his hometown team (playing in front if family and friends) for a team with no captain (trying to win the C of his hometown team and original 6 franchise). Etc

And your correct, his effectiveness with Marnered plummeted the next year according to advanced stats and the eye test.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

He has his flaws, but this is the best he has looked in a few years.

AAV / term ?

It's about money.

I'd sign 9.5 x 8. Mitch won't.

Maybe if we entirely move on from JT, then we could sign him. To me, Marner is the cap casualty.

Does anyone know the WAR (Wins above Replacement) for Marner ?

How many wins / year would be lose by moving on from him ?

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

AAV / term ?

It's about money.

I'd sign 9.5 x 8. Mitch won't.

Maybe if we entirely move on from JT, then we could sign him. To me, Marner is the cap casualty.

Does anyone know the WAR (Wins above Replacement) for Marner ?

How many wins / year would be lose by moving on from him ?

I wouldn't give him a penny more than Nylander (even then, I think that's a slight overpay)

I'm not advocating for keeping him by any means, but he does look better...