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I think 14mil in cap space is far more valuable than Mitch Marner
They could have had Rantannen. Mitch decided to block that and proceed to do what he does every playoff. Choke.
He needs to go
Marner: Keep or Walk Poll
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They could have had Rantannen. Mitch decided to block that and proceed to do what he does every playoff. Choke.
He needs to go
Half the league doesn't make the playoffs, it's interesting you ignored everything else though, great debate lol.
Yeah and the team has gone nowhere, he's a big part of that.
LMFAO @ your last statement because it could not be more true
You're having fun doing this every year?
Man Leaf fans are truly the most battered spouse syndrome fans in the NHL.
We can't get out of a toxic relationship because it could be worse!! They never envision it being better, we just have to clutch to our man and be happy he only beats us and doesn't cheat that much and never steals.
What was the sample size, if it was more than 1 year, then yes, over half the league does make it.
And yes, I stopped reading because it was already dumb.
17th in the playoffs... there'd need to be only 5 teams in the playoffs for that to be 2nd line production.
1st on the team in points.
Lots more fun then never making the playoffs and and hoping the ping pong balls fall our way for a Sloftkovsky
There are a good chunk of players that have either never been to the playoffs or don't have hardly any games.What was the sample size, if it was more than 1 year, then yes, over half the league does make it.
And yes, I stopped reading because it was already dumb.
17th in the playoffs... there'd need to be only 5 teams in the playoffs for that to be 2nd line production.
1st on the team in points.
No you stopped reading because you started and realized you have no argument, you cherry picked the part you felt was making your point strongest and then ignored the rest.
There is more to a player than just points, I don't know if you know this.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
I never said that, but keep strawmanning because that's all you have at this point, grasping at straws.
"You listed fighting as important... how many fights have happened this playoff?"
Anyway, carry on.
Anyway, carry on.
I listed things he doesn't do, that's a fact, I never said one was the end all be all.
Why didn't you mention any of the other things?
Are you happy with the results Mitch and co have gotten while being some of the highest paid in the league for a decade?
Of course I am not, he's also not a borderline 2nd liner like you claimed...
You can carry on with this by yourself though, enjoy.
Yeah he's not when you look at one category that he does well and refuse to look at everything he doesn't do, does poorly and his cost
Carry on Paul
thusk
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I don't think you're asking yourself the right question...
Nylander alone will NEVER overcome any Matthews injury... So the right question to ask yourself is wich player the rest of the team will follow the most
1- The unidimentionnal high skilled offensive player who show up once every 2 game and who's constantly taking shift off especially in the defensive side
or
2- The consistant guy with less skill but playing the right way, working harder and making a lot of different thing to help his teammate
If the team behind follow any of those 2 player and play the same way of both playing, it would be a conplete disaster get a complete team playing the nylander way
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There's also an inherent fly in the ointment.
Do you KEEP Marner at 5x 11 without a NMC? Probably.
Do you KEEP Marner at 8x 14 with a NMC? Never.
For some, there's a "right" earned in the contract. And it is a right once its won, but prior to that, it's a strong preference.
If the rumor is true and Marner's camp turned down 8 x $13.5M...Well then we know a team-success deal isn't accounted for. And that's on the heels of a contract that did the same.
Other teams are entirely aware of our selfish duo and their lack of post-season production.
For so many reasons, that perception has to be excised because make no mistake about it, it's lighter fluid for players who value hard work and compensation for work accomplished.
Even among millionaires, entitlement can be repulsive.
We need to turn that page whether Marner walks or in some road to Damascus moment, he signs something any team could live while building towards contention.
Do you KEEP Marner at 5x 11 without a NMC? Probably.
Do you KEEP Marner at 8x 14 with a NMC? Never.
For some, there's a "right" earned in the contract. And it is a right once its won, but prior to that, it's a strong preference.
If the rumor is true and Marner's camp turned down 8 x $13.5M...Well then we know a team-success deal isn't accounted for. And that's on the heels of a contract that did the same.
Other teams are entirely aware of our selfish duo and their lack of post-season production.
For so many reasons, that perception has to be excised because make no mistake about it, it's lighter fluid for players who value hard work and compensation for work accomplished.
Even among millionaires, entitlement can be repulsive.
We need to turn that page whether Marner walks or in some road to Damascus moment, he signs something any team could live while building towards contention.
Menzinger
Kessel4LadyByng
The team needs a radical transformation of the core and he drew the short straw having his contract up
The only possible way you can keep him would be on a team friendly deal which he and his agent absolutely will never consider ina. Hundred years.
And it's fair to point out it'll be difficult to replace but you can't keep doing the thing after 9 years of not even getting out of the second round
The only possible way you can keep him would be on a team friendly deal which he and his agent absolutely will never consider ina. Hundred years.
And it's fair to point out it'll be difficult to replace but you can't keep doing the thing after 9 years of not even getting out of the second round
Here is the thing with me:
I do not WANT to keep this core together. They are not a likeable group overall. I think Matthews is the most unlikeable star the Leafs have had in my lifetime (to me at least). They don't deserve the pay they are getting, and they don't 'deserve' another shot together.
So while I do not LIKE these guys as the core....I think the best chance at winning a cup is to run them back, and I mean EVERYONE back that you can, including Tavares and Marner. Now, if they brought everyone back, are they going to win a cup? Probably not, but for the next 2 years (especially next year), I think that is their best chance. It may not be a GOOD chance, but its the best they have.
I do not WANT to keep this core together. They are not a likeable group overall. I think Matthews is the most unlikeable star the Leafs have had in my lifetime (to me at least). They don't deserve the pay they are getting, and they don't 'deserve' another shot together.
So while I do not LIKE these guys as the core....I think the best chance at winning a cup is to run them back, and I mean EVERYONE back that you can, including Tavares and Marner. Now, if they brought everyone back, are they going to win a cup? Probably not, but for the next 2 years (especially next year), I think that is their best chance. It may not be a GOOD chance, but its the best they have.
Sign and trade. If he loves the team so much get him to sign and then trade him so leafs can get something. And no more NTC's until they earn it. And maybe in a year bring him back.
Mess
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Were you around for 1993 and 1994 ?
With Dougie and Wendel and back to back final 4 that was a great time to be a Leafs fan,
This entire Leafs core 4 has been so disappointing, and be unremembered when its over.
No Leafs fan is really going to miss the last 9 playoffs years and will have very few and far between memorable moments locked in time and cherished years from now.
There is more I'm trying to forget like CBJ and Montreal series than remember.
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'Devastated' Marner not ready to think about future; 'meant everything' to be a Leaf - Video - TSN
Mitch Marner says it
www.tsn.ca
Speaking past tense about being a Leaf.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Kyper compared 34 to Malkin Both need a Crosby. McDavid could be that guy for 34. Marner sure as hell is not.
If he really means it meant everything, than extending for 8 more years at his current salary is a no brainer. Or was the, “it meant everything” just more B S.'Devastated' Marner not ready to think about future; 'meant everything' to be a Leaf - Video - TSN
Mitch Marner says it
Speaking past tense about being a Leaf.
