Marner: Keep or Walk Poll

[Frankenheimer]

If you want an outside perspective, I would keep him. He's not the problem, just not well surrounded. He showed what he's capable of at the 4 Nations. Leafs need to get a real goalie and a couple of heavy forwards.

 

[PromisedLand]

you gotta let him walk unless he is willing to sign at a 11 AAV with no NMCs/NTCs but of course that won't happen so he has gotta go.

He blocked Rantanen trade and then laid an egg in the playoffs now demanding 13+ AAV is something you do not do as a franchise if you are really in it to win.

re-signing marner is a guarantee that MLSE is not in it to win the cup they are all about selling jerseys

Leafs need a different look. Matthews has 3 more years and then I am sure he will either bail or will not be good enough to be "THE" guy even in regular season. Matthews isn't Ovi.

Gotta make the next 3 years count and that starts by not having marner and giving it a different look. If it doesn't work then so be it you go for another rebuild

 

[ULF_55]

I want Marner gone, but to play devil's advocate: we replace him with a 60-point player like Ehlers and miss the playoffs. Mitch wins us A LOT of games in November and March....

Games - Goals
674 - 225
657 - 221

Two different players, one wants $14mm, other $9mm.

Yes, I know only goals are listed, but only one played with the highest scoring center over the past 5 years.

Obviously, a huge drop-off between the 2 players.

 

[hockey20000]

There is no dollar value at which it makes sense to keep him, no compromise that makes running it back make sense.

14m? Get lost. 10m? Get lost. 7m? Get LOST. League minimum? YOU'RE FIRED, BRO, GET LOST.

The dignity of this franchise is worth 3 or 4m in cap space? The dignity of this franchise is worth 2 first round picks and a blue chip prospect? No, he's FIRED.

lol thank god your not the gm.. turning him down at 7m or league minamum would be bonehead decisions i know you mad at him right now but stop letting the anger take over haha

 

[HarryLime]

 

[Sundinisagod]

Walk and that's literally the easiest question I've ever answered.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I legitimately think there should be a criminal investigation to see if he's been intentionally throwing these playoff series like the "8 men out" situation in baseball.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

If you want an outside perspective, I would keep him. He's not the problem, just not well surrounded. He showed what he's capable of at the 4 Nations. Leafs need to get a real goalie and a couple of heavy forwards.

Cost too much. Can't do the last part of your post with him on the team.

 

[DuncanMacpherson]

Keep if we can get him for 12 or under

 

[keonsbitterness]

I legitimately think there should be a criminal investigation to see if he's been intentionally throwing these playoff series like the "8 men out" situation in baseball.

Yeah, I'll get right on it.

 

[ULF_55]

lol thank god your not the gm.. turning him down at 7m or league minamum would be bonehead decisions i know you mad at him right now but stop letting the anger take over haha

It is a tough one ... obviously, at a discount you have to sign him, but why would he take a discount?

It would be hard to justify keeping the team together, when there isn't any Cap Space to bring in players who can carry the team to the next level.

As much as many are piling on Nylander and marner ... wtf Matthews?

 

[mogs]

If you want an outside perspective, I would keep him. He's not the problem, just not well surrounded. He showed what he's capable of at the 4 Nations. Leafs need to get a real goalie and a couple of heavy forwards.

His 4 Nations performance is way overrated. He scored a goal in 3 on 3 OT against Sweden and then made a couple nice passes in the final, one of which to the best player in the world. If the final vs USA was a 7 game series, he would have played himself off the Olympic team.

 

[LeafGrief]

lol thank god your not the gm.. turning him down at 7m or league minamum would be bonehead decisions i know you mad at him right now but stop letting the anger take over haha

Thanks for the input, Sens/Jets fan. Sure, what's another six or seven years of humiliating exits?

Accountability, shmcountability, it's not like we've learned over the last eight years that having your team's best players turn into pumpkins drags the rest of your team down with them!

Yeah, I'm mad, but I'm honestly flabbergasted at anyone who is so afraid of asset value or cap efficiency that they'd give this team's dignity up so easily.

you gotta let him walk unless he is willing to sign at a 11 AAV with no NMCs/NTCs but of course that won't happen so he has gotta go.

He blocked Rantanen trade and then laid an egg in the playoffs now demanding 13+ AAV is something you do not do as a franchise if you are really in it to win.

re-signing marner is a guarantee that MLSE is not in it to win the cup they are all about selling jerseys

Leafs need a different look. Matthews has 3 more years and then I am sure he will either bail or will not be good enough to be "THE" guy even in regular season. Matthews isn't Ovi.

Gotta make the next 3 years count and that starts by not having marner and giving it a different look. If it doesn't work then so be it you go for another rebuild

You'd watch him do the same thing again next year for just 2m less than his asking price? How do you reconcile that we need a different look with keeping him at the same cap hit?

He's gotta walk. Period. No if's, and's, or but's. No number makes sense.

 

[hockey20000]

It is a tough one ... obviously, at a discount you have to sign him, but why would he take a discount?

It would be hard to justify keeping the team together, when there isn't any Cap Space to bring in players who can carry the team to the next level.

As much as many are piling on Nylander and marner ... wtf Matthews?

matthews i think if you get any decent package deal offer you trrade him that interview last night was a bad look for a captain tbh.

 

[PromisedLand]

If there was a way to keep him for the regular season then trade him for the playoffs each year I'd do that.

Otherwise, too bad MLSE foolishly missed their chance to move him. And I say MLSE because I'm certain that they would've blocked any attempt to move him, insisting Treliving find a way to extend him no matter what it takes (and it is clear they were trying to extend him, Mitch just wasn't willing to).

Too late to get assets, but he still has to go.

Too stubborn/arrogant after 9 years to recognize that, like the other Core, he has to change his approach in the post-season for the team to have success. Every year he rinse & repeats the exact same thing and every year the team loses.

And worse, failure is so deeply rooted in these guys they've lost the series (or at least the series clinching games) before they even start. Broken players need to get a fresh start somewhere else, and since Willie, Morgan and AM are locked in, one or two (JT) are better than none.

marner blocked a rantanen trade

leafs would have gotten rantanen and signed him to an extension.

treliving isn't buying marner bs. At least that gives me a little faith in Tre

 

[HofT]

you gotta let him walk unless he is willing to sign at a 11 AAV with no NMCs/NTCs but of course that won't happen so he has gotta go.

He blocked Rantanen trade and then laid an egg in the playoffs now demanding 13+ AAV is something you do not do as a franchise if you are really in it to win.

re-signing marner is a guarantee that MLSE is not in it to win the cup they are all about selling jerseys

Leafs need a different look. Matthews has 3 more years and then I am sure he will either bail or will not be good enough to be "THE" guy even in regular season. Matthews isn't Ovi.

Gotta make the next 3 years count and that starts by not having marner and giving it a different look. If it doesn't work then so be it you go for another rebuild

Wouldn't re-signing Marner give you the best chance? I don't see any one special in free agency this year and if it doesn't work out in 3 years then we can trade them both and get real value back.

 

[LeafGrief]

obviously, at a discount you have to sign him

No you don't. Any implication that we "need" to do anything to keep him, be it based on asset value or cap efficiency or any other such nonsense is ridiculous.

This core doesn't work, how does keeping a rotten core with a 3m discount make any sense? The core is still rotten, he's still going to suck when it matters! Does another Max Domi instead of Holmberg make us lose 6-2???

 

[PromisedLand]

Thanks for the input, Sens/Jets fan. Sure, what's another six or seven years of humiliating exits?

Accountability, shmcountability, it's not like we've learned over the last eight years that having your team's best players turn into pumpkins drags the rest of your team down with them!

Yeah, I'm mad, but I'm honestly flabbergasted at anyone who is so afraid of asset value or cap efficiency that they'd give this team's dignity up so easily.


You'd watch him do the same thing again next year for just 2m less than his asking price? How do you reconcile that we need a different look with keeping him at the same cap hit?

He's gotta walk. Period. No if's, and's, or but's. No number makes sense.

condition is that he gets no ntcs and nmcs and then we have a trade asset to get what we want but we know he won't sign without ntcs/nmcs so its a guaranteed walk away from marner for me

 

[ULF_55]

No you don't. Any implication that we "need" to do anything to keep him, be it based on asset value or cap efficiency or any other such nonsense is ridiculous.

This core doesn't work, how does keeping a rotten core with a 3m discount make any sense? The core is still rotten, he's still going to suck when it matters! Does another Max Domi instead of Holmberg make us lose 6-2???

He isn't signing a discount deal regardless.

But if offered up his services at a huge discount, and there was money left by not signing Tavares you can change the team, if their coach had courage.

 

[LeafGrief]

money left by not signing Tavares you can change the team

Lipstick on a pig. What add on turns a team that craps their pants in games 4,5, and 7 of a series into a serious team? When the two main culprits, Matthews and Marner, are still there?

Team is just going to dance around the issue. Dance, dance, dance, no decisive actions whatsoever, Marner is going to make the call for us, eh?

The fresh start is more valuable than any cap space, more valuable than anything we get in a sign and trade.

 

[ashs]

If it's 13 or 14, than goodbye.woukd rather have 3 pieces.

 

[Superstar]

Walk. Do we want to keep doing the same for another 8 years?

 

[Rare Jewel]

Nope.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Walk.

Plays a disgraceful brand of hockey in the playoffs.

 

[AvroArrow]

I want Marner gone, but to play devil's advocate: we replace him with a 60-point player like Ehlers and miss the playoffs. Mitch wins us A LOT of games in November and March....

For what he'll command, we can get Kuzmenko + Ehlers/Boeser for just 1-2M more

Let his ass walk

Leafs/Jets hated each other, not sure if Ehlers would be interested in coming here.

Guys I would target with the freed up 22M from Marner and Tavares

1) Kuzmenko
2) Boeser
3) Ehlers
4) Provorov
5) Marchand


Easton Cowan is pretty much confirmed to be a Leaf next year, he'd be on the 3rd line, that's a super cheap effective player on an ELC

We'd be a lot deeper by letting Marner go

We can very likely add 2 of Kuzmenko/Boeser/Ehlers for around 15M, I'd much rather have that than Marner at 12 or 13

Take a run at Provorov and try and trade Rielly if he's willing to waive his NMC, would still need an answer for 2C.

I do want a change for 2C I think the room needs a big shake up, but honestly there aren't better options than JT and he's willing to take a paycut. If we can get him around 5-6M for 3 years I'd do it.

That would cost us the exact same as what Marner/Tavares have cost us, 22M. Even if it's a bit more it can work with Cowan coming in on an ELC and the likelihood of Pacioretty re-signing for cheap

We could have a top 9 of

Knies - Matthews - Boeser
Kuzmenko - Tavares - Nylander
Pacioretty - Laughton - Cowan