Speculation: Marner blocked a trade to Carolina for Rantanen

[Discipline Daddy]

As the only elite player available in free agency, I'm positive the Hurricanes will offer a 7 year deal to Marner if he gets to free agency. I'd imagine there would be 15 teams offering similar contracts his way and Marner can pick his destination. We can easily afford $13M. The Hurricanes have $37M in cap space according to puckpedia for next year and 10 forwards already signed. Honestly we could afford two Mitch Marners and still have enough room for the other holes in the roster, several of which will be filled by ELCs (Alexander Nikishin, Scott Morrow, and perhaps Bradly Nadeau).

I doubt Marner will sign here, just because there will be so many teams making a pitch. I'd think Toronto is most likely. It will be a little tight to keep everybody but you have the capspace to do it. The fact he didn't waive his NMC to come to Carolina doesn't preclude him from signing here, but it bumps the odds down from say, 5% to 3%.

 

[Skolman]

12.5 isn't an overpay lol the Leafs would sign that deal like right this second.

And that's why they will continue to consider winning 1 playoff round in a post-season a success

 

[bobholly39]

I'm still unsure how I feel about the whole Marner vs Rantanen comparison.

I really like Rantanen - but I still think Marner is slightly superior. But of course - Rantanen has been spectacular in playoffs, and Marner has not, and that's important.

Still, i think I'd choose Marner over Rantanen moving forward if given the option. Just a gut feeling he's going to age better.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Makes you wonder who's the little weasel that let this slip to the public, anyway?

Shanahan is your weasel.

 

[shortfuze]

yea he's gone. way too embarrassing for him if he re-signs there after they told him they don't want him anymore

who said they dont want him? if marner intends to go to free agency and another team came calling and asking for him, it doesnt mean they dont want him. it just means they presented an opportunity for him if he wanted to leave and go to a great team like carolina.

 

[BiolaRunner]

That seems even weirder? Why would Toronto tell Marner that another team wants to trade for him if they’re not interested? I’m sure plenty of teams have approached Toronto about Marner, he doesn’t need to know about them.

Could be that they wanted something Carolina had, but before they tried to negotiate, they'd check to see if he'd even waive.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Could have been the Leafs. Could have been the Canes. Could have been Marner’s camp though that doesn’t really benefit him.

It was certainly purposeful for Toronto to ask Marner if he’s willing to waive so they can bring in Rantanen.

The greatest incentive for leaking this seems to be with Toronto. They’re frustrated with their negotiations with him and after Rantanen signs for 12, this is suddenly leaked? Or maybe they’ve decided to move on and this is a way to cushion the blow for Leafs fans. Yes, that might seem unnecessary but you’re talking about a team who had a press conference with Tavares and Matthews to announce Matthews as the new captain.

This was definately leaked to put pressure on Marner and his agent Farris. Now this morning I read Marner is looking for 13 mil a year. I am sure that got leaked to put on even more pressure considering most hockey people feel Rantanen is atleast equal if not the better player. Marner is going to have to answer this question everytime a microphone is in his face until a deal is done. We have seen before that he is bothered by this attention. Would not be surprised at all if he signed a deal before the playoffs.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Treliving is such a foney."We want Mitch here long term, we are committed to you" then why did you want to move him for Rantanen then?

 

[eojsmada]

Treliving is such a foney."We want Mitch here long term, we are committed to you" then why did you want to move him for Rantanen then?

It's Bettman-speak for, "At this moment...since we failed to get Ranatanen for him, we really would love to keep Marner because there will be no one else available in Free Agency who we feel comfortable giving that kind of money too."

 

[leafsfan5]

Doesn’t make sense to me tho. If leafs in win now mode, they could have found a way to fit rants in with Marner. The Marner offer seems highly unlikely to ever have been offered. Marner isn’t signing long term in Carolina and rants isn’t in Toronto.

Marner was offered because he isn't negotiating at all and will basically walk to UFA in July. Toronto wanted to see if he wants out since he's doing this, he said he doesn't. Friedman went with this on hockey night in Canada, I doubt a story as big as this isn't thoroughly vetted by him

We also could've fit in Rantanen and Marner, via a deal for Knies + picks. However, this carries the risk of Marner walking in the summer. At that point, you moved Knies + Marner (2/3rds of your top line) + multiple firsts for Rantanen. The Leafs decided that was too much

If I was Treliving, I would've run the numbers and see if I could swing Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rantanen and let Tavares walk in the summer. Then have a chat with Mitch and see if he'll sign for the same number we give Mikko (around ~13-13.5)

 

[Frank Drebin]

I don't like the leafs. I like Marner over Rantanen.

 

[hullsy47]

Treliving is such a foney."We want Mitch here long term, we are committed to you" then why did you want to move him for Rantanen then?

He got ordered by shanahan after pelley got orders from ted rogers and probally who rogers is going to listen to going forward
Shitshow that didnt need to happen

 

[hullsy47]

Marner was offered because he isn't negotiating at all and will basically walk to UFA in July. Toronto wanted to see if he wants out since he's doing this, he said he doesn't. Friedman went with this on hockey night in Canada, I doubt a story as big as this isn't thoroughly vetted by him

We also could've fit in Rantanen and Marner, via a deal for Knies + picks. However, this carries the risk of Marner walking in the summer. At that point, you moved Knies + Marner (2/3rds of your top line) + multiple firsts for Rantanen. The Leafs decided that was too much

If I was Treliving, I would've run the numbers and see if I could swing Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rantanen and let Tavares walk in the summer. Then have a chat with Mitch and see if he'll sign for the same number we give Mikko (around ~13-13.5)

If the leafs would offered knies likley rantanen was coming

 

[TotalHomer]

Treliving is such a foney."We want Mitch here long term, we are committed to you" then why did you want to move him for Rantanen then?

He runs hockey ops like a pizza joint.

 

[leafsfan5]

If the leafs would offered knies likley rantanen was coming

I would think so, Stankoven is a good player but Knies looks like he'll be a top line powerforward for the next decade. There's typically only a handful of guys in the league who are of his ilk

Would be up to Carolina to decide who they value, though

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Well if Rantanen was willing to sign the $12 million AAV in Toronto that he signed in Dallas? that would solve a lot of problems for Brad, and give them a proven playoff performer. Little Mitch won’t play for $12 million AAV…..if you think otherwise, he’d already be signed.

 

[Super Hans]

I think what really happened is that Carolina asked Toronto if Marner could rank their players from laziest to hardest working, so they traded Rantanen.

 

[Fatass]

Well if Rantanen was willing to sign the $12 million AAV in Toronto that he signed in Dallas? that would solve a lot of problems for Brad, and give them a proven playoff performer. Little Mitch won’t play for $12 million AAV…..if you think otherwise, he’d already be signed.

Clearly the Canes see Marner as elite. The league sees Marner as elite. He prefers to stay in Toronto for the remainder of this season. Then on July 1 he can choose another city if the Leafs won’t come up with the contract he wants. He’s got all the leverage and control, as evidenced by his refusal to waive his NMC.

 

[thusk]

Treliving is such a foney."We want Mitch here long term, we are committed to you" then why did you want to move him for Rantanen then?

It's not his job

1- Marner still an unsigned ufa
2- get an offer from Carolina
3- Doesn't know real Marnrr plan

It's his job even if he don't want to move him and sign long term to talk with Marner for at least know what he really want. He would be a pretty awful gm if he wouldn't.

Tre never asked Marner to waived his NMC, he gave him the option to choose if he wanted to play somewhere else than Toronto or stay.

rule 101 :How to make a story with absolutly nothing, that's exactly what it is

 

[Knight]

Looking forward to Marner donning the spoked B next season

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Clearly the Canes see Marner as elite. The league sees Marner as elite. He prefers to stay in Toronto for the remainder of this season. Then on July 1 he can choose another city if the Leafs won’t come up with the contract he wants. He’s got all the leverage and control, as evidenced by his refusal to waive his NMC.

That wasn’t my point…..whether Marner is viewed as elite. My point was T.O.’s GM obviously saw Rantanen as a viable solution to the ongoing drama of MM and his contract demands.

Your point of the Canes seeing Marner as elite is a little bit of a stretch. The Canes moved Rantanen for Stancoven + 2 1st’s. Is that an elite package? It was well documented the Canes viewed Rantanen as an asset that HAD to be moved, they contacted every market for the best return. In the leafs case it simply took care of two issues at the same time, the bonus for the leafs is they would be getting a Cup winner with proven playoff success. Cheers

 

[creg]

media fan/reaction to this is pretty insane - marner has been far and away the most scrutinized member of the leafs and if he wants to leave in free agency that's his prerogative

if leafs wanted to move him maybe they should've done so before his NTC kicked in? better yet maybe they shouldn't have fired their gm 2 weeks before it kicked in. This has been horribly mismanaged and if there's anyone to be upset with it's shanahan, not marner

 

[shortfuze]

Treliving is such a foney."We want Mitch here long term, we are committed to you" then why did you want to move him for Rantanen then?

Because it doesnt sound like mitch has the same commitment to toronto. mitch has always been a little difficult when it coms to these situations. nothing wrong in asking. im sure there are plenty of players that have had discussions about their NMC/NTC that still havent been moved. its not all that hard to understand.

 

[shortfuze]

He got ordered by shanahan after pelley got orders from ted rogers and probally who rogers is going to listen to going forward
Shitshow that didnt need to happen

what a ridiculous comment

 

[centipede2233]

Mitch is like that only child where he gets spoiled by his parents and pouts and cries when things don’t go his way, then parents give in and he stops pouting and crying.